Arching Floorpians

npro

@ybjrepnfr So this is going to be the new reality... I installed stg to get a taste of it, unfortunately its numerous addons that look promising don't show up in the bar (and it isn't compatible with sidebery either)

Some confilcts with other extensions as well

This extension may conflict with other programs similar in functionality. Conflicted addons:

    Tab Open/Close Control
    OneTab
    Tiled Tab Groups
    Totally not Panorama (Tab Groups with tab hiding)
    Panorama Tab Groups
    Panorama View (etc.)

I'm also curious about what midori will do now.

ybjrepnfr

@npro aha, logical coincidence... i've also been testing stg, & whilst i'm still gonna try to be noble & not mock it, for my sensibility & use-case it's just not suitable. additional to what you said:

it cannot handle pinned tabs at all
it seems unable to support mouse-wheel tab-scrolling

however, all my initial experiments were predicated on an assumed paradigm of using stg instead of tst or sidebery, or even floorp's own native tabs [& this is what really underwhelmed me]. later, i tried a new idea... using stg with floorp's own native tabs. tbh, this seems to be more promising! stg gives the grouping, floorp's v/t gives the pinned tabs [albeit primitive] & wheel-scrolling. if/when the next floorp version arrives, i'll be interested to retest.

all that said, i was trying to be kind, but here's the brutal truth afaict atm:

my profile using tst & floorp's native workgroups obviously now only has <6 months left to live before i'll need to nuke it
my [default] profile using sidebery for tabs AND groups [via its multiple tab-panels ofc] seems like it will need to be my permanent paradigm. if so, that's ok with me, given it's still working really well ... i'm still loving using this browser, with the way i have set it up... yay!

ybjrepnfr

vivaldi & sidebery have the same bug wrt opening links from pinned tabs, into new tabs. all the subsequent child-tabs are in reverse sequence.

tst is the only one that does it correctly. all the subsequent child-tabs are in correct sequence, with first at top & last at bottom

edited:

aha, fixed it; there was an old sidebery setting i'd deliberately chosen ages ago, but based on a misunderstanding by me of its purpose, & which setting i'd subsequently forgotten all about. i've now toggled it. problem solved.

thus, it's only vivaldi with the bug.

ybjrepnfr

@ybjrepnfr yesterday & today i was confused / annoyed to discover in settings that all the languages i thought i had enabled for translations, in my floorp default profile, had buggered off again. it's possible though that i confused myself, ie, maybe the pic i pasted in my 22November post above, which shows all available languages already downloaded, was done when my "native" profile was my default, rather than my original "daily" profile which i reverted to some weeks ago. anyway, in said daily profile i have now [re?]downloaded all languages, & have pasted the pic here, as a graphical reference in case over coming days i find they've [again?] buggered off.

ybjrepnfr

heeheehee.

https://safereddit.com/r/firefox/comments/18ff8ej/how_to_get_sidebar_functionality_similar_to/

ybjrepnfr

https://safereddit.com/r/Floorp/comments/18f3nzm/workplaces_names/

The team is currently developing a Tab Stacking feature to replace Workspaces

Ayespy

This is what happens when you don't have at least 20 people to work on development, 40 hrs per person, per week. Vivaldi is tough enough. Smaller browser projects have got to be tougher.

"This = "Workspaces will be deprecated in the near future and removed in the future.

The team is currently developing a Tab Stacking feature to replace Workspaces."

ybjrepnfr

@Ayespy said in Arching Floorpians:

This

What?

Ayespy

It's HARD to maintain multiple features side by side. And now it's seen workspaces will be abandoned to accommodate stacks = small team, hard work.

Ayespy

@ybjrepnfr Gotta hit the rack now. Chat with you when I'm up in 9 hrs

ybjrepnfr

good, then very bad!

woohoo, i didn't know of this one til now!

about:config:
floorp.browser.sidebar2.addons.enabled true

so now all my web-panels have stopped blinding me, as dark reader works herein at last. similarly ofc, now uBO works herein, ergo no more ads & nonsense.

am gonna whack it into my user.js, to guard against future browser updates potentially resetting it.

the one remaining missing feature for floorp's sidebar web-panels would be zoom control, like we fortunately have in vivaldi.

LATER...
uh oh, no, this option turns out to be bad, not good, at least for my use-case, so now i've disabled it again.

--> unfortunately, i have other AOs installed ofc besides just those two, one of which is sidebery [ofc]. this option conflicts with sidebery which then goes bonkers, causing large numbers of floorp windows to spawn on subsequent floorp launches. what a bugger.

ybjrepnfr

Version 11.7.0 (64-bit) | Firefox: 115.6.0

What’s new ... sadly, nothing useful nor interesting for me.

pwa -- yawn, who cares?
some icons --

however, it's just one peep [a school-kid even, iirc ], it's FOSS, & it already works beautifully in many ways, so i need to keep working hard to stifle my churlishness. i expect i might be reliving, & projecting, my early-years vivaldi excitement onto this latest new small browser project.

npro

https://lists.archlinux.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/thread/EM2TF7WG7UXTIEP5RBJJG4MFHRL76X47/#EM2TF7WG7UXTIEP5RBJJG4MFHRL76X47

ybjrepnfr

sidebery v5.1.1.2 released [for me] this morning, with new feature of optional tab hover thumbnails [with several settings for various configurability]. it is really good. thus now my floorp has:

vertical tabs with infinite hierarchical nesting, & independent groups, & thumbnails
web-panels [with my enduring gratitude to OperaPresto then Vivaldi for inventing these!]
no chromium!
fully functional [ie, including cname-uncloaking] uBlockOrigin via Mv2 now & indefinitely
ongoing html5 canvas fingerprint spoofing AO compatibility
ongoing HTTP/2 Fingerprinting blocking capability
tab split-view

OperaPresto was lovely. Vivaldi is fab, but with caveats. Floorp [with Sidebery] has now fully usurped Vivaldi, for my use-case.

vvsurfr

Ditto. After a few days Vivaldi always got so bloated that my 32GB machine turned to a swapping crawl. Video never worked well on Linux. I was just hooked to the two-level tabs... Bit the bullet and converted to floorp with sideberry: I think I now have >1000 tabs in sidebars, the thing has been running for several weeks, and everything is so smooth. Done.

ybjrepnfr

@vvsurfr said in Arching Floorpians:

floorp with sideberry

This is a great combo. I'm still loving it.

That said, i also keep another profile using treestyletab [& many of its companion AOs] instead of sidebery, coz sadly sidebery is incompatible with some of the nice native floorp functions [eg, floorp's workspaces].

The latest incompatibility i discovered yesterday; when sidebery is installed & active, if you then enable one of floorp's newer features, allowing extensions to operate in the sidebar webpanels [which incidentally floorp got before vivaldi did], cpu usage skyrockets, cpu temperature shoots up, & a dozen or more "ghost" windows spawn. Initially they're invisible, but you know the problem has been triggered when you go to close floorp & need to confirm that you want to close [eg] 14 windows, when you only had one open. If you proceed, next time you launch floorp, all those ghost windows become real windows, comprising only one or a couple of your tabs. It's a terrible mess.

For some reason, tst is fully compatible with floorp, whereas sadly sidebery is only maybe 80% compatible. So every now & then, though i strongly prefer sidebery, i sometimes use that other profile instead, enjoying the full range of floorp's features, but simultaneously missing sidebery's many advantages over tst.

Dancer18

I am not an Archian user, but a Mint user, but I am writing here my experience with installing Floorp. I was surprised that the download was over 300MB. Why? Because it had to install necessary Asian fonts, which I uninstalled a few days ago. As a German I don't need Asian fonts, never mind. Floorp looks quite similar to Midori, which I also installed the day before yesterday (without the Asian fonts).
Next I removed all Asian fonts with the command

sudo apt-get remove "fonts-kacst*" "fonts-khmeros*" fonts-lklug-sinhala fonts-guru-extra "fonts-nanum*" fonts-noto-cjk "fonts-takao*" fonts-tibetan-machine fonts-lao fonts-sil-padauk fonts-sil-abyssinica "fonts-tlwg-*" "fonts-lohit-*" fonts-beng-extra fonts-gargi fonts-gubbi fonts-gujr-extra fonts-kalapi "fonts-samyak*" fonts-navilu fonts-nakula fonts-orya-extra fonts-pagul fonts-sarai "fonts-telu*" "fonts-wqy*" "fonts-smc*" fonts-deva-extra fonts-sahadeva

Followed by

sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig

But after that Floorp was also gone. Conclusion: Floorp - unlike Midori - does not work at all without Asian characters. Although the interface was in German.
Sad. As second browser I'll use Midori then.

npro

@ybjrepnfr said in Arching Floorpians:

i also keep another profile using treestyletab [& many of its companion AOs] instead of sidebery, coz sadly sidebery is incompatible with some of the nice native floorp functions [eg, floorp's workspaces].

The struggle of too many offerings .
I can't decide either which one is the best, tst together with workspaces in the sidebar is somehow more comfortable I'd say than clicking the small icons of sidebery, on the other hand for some time now I decided to not use the sidebar at all (I moved all "necessary" icons to the address bar, like I had those in Vivaldi), so I am mainly using sidebery, my problem though is that I can do basically the same with Firefox Nightly so I'm alternating between Floorp and FFN atm

But Floorp & FFN remain excellent, especially now that I resurrected my old Core 2 Duo E8500 which runs videos wonderfully with GPU video hardware acceleration (using CUDA), a thing Chromium-based browsers can't do (100% CPU usage) .

YAE (yet another edit) -> P.S. with today's update to 11.11, maybe extensions in the sidebar work better for you quote: (Now, Users can run almost of extensions on Floorp’s Sidebar. Now, this feature is stable!)

npro

@Dancer18 said in Arching Floorpians:

but a Mint user,

And there's your problem right there

it had to install necessary Asian fonts

there's no such dependencies for Arch (at least for the binary version that I know of).

@Dancer18 said in Arching Floorpians:
remove "fonts-kacst*" "fonts-khmeros*" fonts-lklug-sinhala fonts-guru-extra "fonts-nanum*" fonts-noto-cjk "fonts-takao*" fonts-tibetan-machine fonts-lao fonts-sil-padauk fonts-sil-abyssinica "fonts-tlwg-*" "fonts-lohit-*" fonts-beng-extra fonts-gargi fonts-gubbi fonts-gujr-extra fonts-kalapi "fonts-samyak*" fonts-navilu fonts-nakula fonts-orya-extra fonts-pagul fonts-sarai "fonts-telu*" "fonts-wqy*" "fonts-smc*" fonts-deva-extra fonts-sahadeva

I see the .deb package only needs fonts-noto-cjk, how did you end up having so much bloat? Mint?

Here's an idea, install only the necessary dependencies, then install floorp locally with dpkg -i. This ofc is not ideal as you need to redo it with every new update.

Dancer18

@npro said in Arching Floorpians:

Here's an idea, install only the necessary dependencies, then install floorp locally with dpkg -i. This ofc is not ideal as you need to redo it with every new update.

Thank you for this idea. I have recognized that floorp ist very similar to midori that I have already installed. My standard browser is vivaldi, next is opera, and I just want to have a firefox-like fork in game...