UI scaling changes in 6.1
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Since the latest update there are strange UI bugs. Scaling and otherwise.
I have to instances open on the same computer, on one the UI scaling (not webpage scaling, I am talking about the browser UI) became a lot smaller. On the other one everything stayed as it should be.
Also the "back by domain"-buttons went missing on this instance:
On the other instance they are still there:
Also on that instance Vivaldi "forgot" the website scaling for all websites and went from 120% to 100%. Also it looks like scaling is not consistent, when I reopen the browser after if crashed (after energy saving mode) the scaling indicator still says "120%", but it actually is "100%". Something like this happened regularily some versions in the past and it looks like this bug is in again.
All in all version 6.1 rollout seems somewhat rushed, as it has way more bugs than usual.
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@xanathon The changes to the Navigation Bar buttons are not a bug, but an intentional change. If you have previously modified the toolbar it will not be changed by the update; if not, it will. Right-click to customise the toolbar.
Check your settings in Appearance, User Interface Zoom, and Webpages, Default Webpage Zoom and disable Use Tab Zoom.
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@Pesala My toolbars on both instances looked exactly the same. After the update one looks different and no longer the way I set it up before. That is not an "intentional change". "It's not a bug, it's a feature" will not work as an answer here.
Tab zoom has nothing to do with UI size.
I will definitely not disable tab zoom, since I want different zooms in different tabs. The problem is that the zoom does not stay consistent after a restart, as I explained above.
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When I enter edit mode I can see that a variable space appeared to the left of the back/forward buttons that I never put there.
Also the domain back/domain forward and home buttons went missing.
Edit:
Also a variable space appeared on the right side of the search bar that I never put there.Edit 2: I want to stress again, that on the second instance on the same computer everything stayed as before the update. On the other instance it changed.
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@xanathon Yes, the design changes of UI do not please all, i disliked when they came up, and had to create my own toolbar.
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This is not about "design changes", this is about inconsistent behaviour of the UI and multiple browser instances on the same computer behaving differently after the last update, read my opening post.
This is not about design, it's about buggy behaviour of the browser.
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@xanathon Whether we like it or not, it was an intentional change to remove some buttons and add flexible spaces, it is not a bug.
If you want different zoom levels on different domains, then you need to disable Use Tab Zoom.
Don't shoot the messenger. Just check that your settings are correct. If there is a bug, then we need a reproducible recipe.
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@Pesala "UI Zoom" changes the zoom on both browser instances and that is not the desired (or expected) behaviour, more so if you have multiple screens of different resolutions. Especially if only one browser's UI suddenly is way smaller than before. That's a bug and has probably to do with the browser instance not honoring Windows application scaling or something like that.
Tab Zoom: I did not know about this setting and this worked before without me deactivating it explicitly. Was this behavior changed with the last update? In the past I definitely had different tabs on different zoom levels, I use that all the time.
If this was "an intentional change" why do I have it on one browser and not the other (same version number)?
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@xanathon said in UI scaling changes in 6.1:
If this was "an intentional change" why do I have it on one browser and not the other (same version number)?
As i remember from the past of testing pre-release-6.1 versions a new profile gets new UI, with used profile the toolbars stay.
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@DoctorG I have two "used profiles" (used for months). One stayed, one changed. As I now have explained multiple times.
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@xanathon I can not tell why the update broke your settings.
But a update on a used profile should not touch the toolbar, that is a nasty bug you suffer from.Which Stable version had you before? I like to try update with a archived older Stable to 6.1.
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Hi, iirc the UI does not change if a user customized it but change to the new default if it never was changed.
My test profiles all got the new UI, my work profile customized does not change. -
@mib2berlin said in UI scaling changes in 6.1:
Hi, iirc the UI does not change if a user customized it but change to the new default if it never was changed.
Oh, ok, i never used the old UI without editing toolbars. That's why i never saw the issue.
But for a user it is really unexpeceted, such change.
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@DoctorG
Hm yes, The UI of a software can change anytime, Windows 10 -> 11 shows this in a drastic way.
The OP mention it is not consistent but it should except Vivaldi crash, then data loss is expected.Cheers, mib
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@DoctorG said in UI scaling changes in 6.1:
Which Stable version had you before? I like to try update with a archived older Stable to 6.1.
I cannot tell you that, I can tell you that the bugs came with the latest minor update to 6.1.3035.75 (Stable channel) (32-Bit)
I just again restarted the browser and the tab zoom reverted itself to 100% from 120%.
I want to again stress the fact that the whole ui (unrelated to tab size) is considerably smaller than before the update. The UI scale of the other instance on the other screen stayed the same.
I have to admit that I am quite frustrated by what I experience in this forum. I take my valuable time to report bugs to help with development and bugfixing of Vivaldi. Every! Single! Time! I get answers like "use a new profile", "not a bug, a feature", or other standard answers that show my original post was not even read or understood fully. And it is tried to get rid of me with standard answers. I am very tired already by this and I am no longer sure it makes any sense to report bugs here and that it takes even more time to convince the people here that it's actually a bug, when all my reports are dismissed as "dumb user" or something similar. I had my first computer in1979, I use the internet regularily since end of the 90s, I work in IT, I know what I'm talking about. And reporting bugs here is a waste of time, if I have to insist over multiple posts they actually exist. Not worth my time.
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@xanathon
Please understand the user help in the forum for many years got this questions thousands of time.
If 80% always are extension and profile issues, 10% user issues and 10% real Vivaldi bugs you get the same answers first.
You may remember a user report a crash bug and it need days to find out Vivaldi crash if the network change.
Then we could create a good bug report and now a developer work on a fix.By the way I forget which user report what after a few days, so you get the same answers again if you report something in two weeks.
This is no offense or personal in any way.Cheers, mib
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@xanathon said in UI scaling changes in 6.1:
I have to admit that I am quite frustrated by what I experience in this forum. I take my valuable time to report bugs to help with development and bugfixing of Vivaldi. Every! Single! Time! I get answers like "use a new profile", "not a bug, a feature", or other standard answers that show my original post was not even read or understood fully.
Wow, sound not really nice, and on a bad day i would be offended. But i know what users can say when they are disappointed.
We internal testers really like that you want to help and catch bugs.
And as a volunteer helper i try my best (am IT pro since 90ies, programmer and webdev), but i am not the Vivaldi Support; peers who helping do not replace professional support. Sometimes i help so many people and test much, and have some other work to do that i am not able to remember all answers in threads. For you that might look like i am not taking care what you wrote- is not true.
But it makes me sad, when users try to kick helpers in the back because Vivaldi has bugs and annoying "new features". -
@xanathon said in UI scaling changes in 6.1:
And reporting bugs here is a waste of time
Now, do you think it is useless for you to report them to Vivaldi bug tracker? What is your opinion?
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First: I do not "try to kick helpers", generally I thank you for the work you are doing here. But I also voice my frustration how I and my bug reports are handled.
From what I understand if I open a bug report in the bugtracker it is ignored by the devs unless a volunteer here elevates it. That adds to my opinion that I am wasting my time here.
I post bugs in this forum to make them known and so other people with the same problems may chime in. I try to report in a detailed way so it is clear that this is not a "standard case". 99% of "standard cases" I can solve myself and so far Vivaldi was quite stable. But since version 6 that has changed dramatically.
However. If I have to waste my time by having to insist over multiple posts that obvious bugs exist (instead of the volunteers accepting them) I lose my motivation to report them, because it is senseless and costs way too much time. My solution would be to use another browser (not an option because Vivaldi has features I need that no other browser has). Or I switch off autoupdates and wait some versions until the bugs are ironed out before updating and never again report a bug. I would rather not switch off autoupdates since I would not get security updates, but if it has to be that way: So be it.
But "does not happen here", "never heard of it", "that bug is no bug", "that's a design decision" or "RTFM" despite it more than clearly is a bug because I can see the browser's behavior over multiple profiles over multiple computers, are very bad and highly frustrating responses, regardless of if the bug reporter is a pro or a noob. I hope you can understand that.
Okay. Too long post. Sorry. I'm off and will not bother you any longer.
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From what I understand if I open a bug report in the bugtracker it is ignored by the devs unless a volunteer here elevates it. That adds to my opinion that I am wasting my time here.
Bugs have to be tested by internal testers and to be confirmed to get attention by devs. But the internal volunteer testers have no power to influence devs to fix this or that bug now and first. I ping devs in internal chat to check if bugs are serious.
I can understand such disappointment and frustration with bug reports and unfixed bugs.
The process of bug checking, confirmation and fixing by devs is not as fast as it should be.
And i agree in some parts of your answer about reports.ut "does not happen here", "never heard of it", "that bug is no bug", "that's a design decision" or "RTFM" despite it more than clearly is a bug because I can see the browser's behavior over multiple profiles over multiple computers, are very bad and highly frustrating responses, regardless of if the bug reporter is a pro or a noob. I hope you can understand that.
Oh, yes, i can understand.
Okay. Too long post. Sorry. I'm off and will not bother you any longer.
PS: You do not bother me.
