KDE Plasma 6 to ship with floating panel and double-click to open apps/files
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KDE Plasma 6 will ship with defaults of a floating panel and double-click to open apps.
https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-desktop/-/issues/72
https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-desktop/-/issues/73
If you are not currently using a floating panel, once the setting is enabled, the panel floats (image below) if the active window is Restored (or not maximized). If the window is Maximized, the panel docks to the bottom of the screen.
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@edwardp i use f/p for my small auxillary app-launcher panel down the bottom, where it looks cool, but otoh i feel it's ugly for my rhs vertical main panel, which i thus leave conventional.
personally, single-click is much better than d/c.
each to their own; the joy of plasma.
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@ybjrepnfr All these years, I have mostly been used to double-clicking when I launch something. My first Linux distro back in 2003, was SUSE Linux Personal 8.2. That came with KDE out of the box and was single-click back then.
Because of various issues with other desktops more recently, I have decided to use KDE all the time now and can get used to single-click. If distros provide their KDE users with single-click out of the box right now, I'm sure they would consider reverting the change (same with the floating panel), before making the new KDE 6 packages available, as they probably would not want to alienate their user base if they're already accustomed to working like this, then to see this sudden change in behavior with KDE 6.
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@edwardp
I am very enthusiastic about 'KDE' and especially 'Plasma'.Unfortunately, I have not yet managed to install Plasma 6 in GNU/Linux Debian 11 Stable.
Unfortunately I'm still stuck with Plasma 5.20.5.In Debian 'Backports' and in 'Flatpak' KDE Plasma 6 is not to be found.
Does anyone have any ideas?
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GNU/Linux: 'Q4OS' / Debian 12 'Bookworm', Android 7 / Android 15 ('GrapheneOS', ein Segen! Aber nur für Google 'Pixel' Geräte z.Z. Ist schon irre, um Google loszuwerden)
Dabei seit dem alten Opera Presto. -
"Another interesting change in Plasma 6 is that it will use Wayland by default. This will probably upset some NVIDIA GPU users out there, especially gamers, but rest assured that the KDE devs are working on addressing all the Wayland/NVIDIA issues before Plasma 6 hits the streets in stable version."
Which means most likely a huge delay cause they have been trying to deal with the Wayland / nVdia issues for YEARS.
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@ingolftopf KDE 6 has not yet been released. I'm sure it will be a while before we see it.
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@LocutusOfBorg Both of my desktops have older AMD Radeon GPU's.
Under X11, this required a file to be placed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d to turn on the TearFree option in the ATI driver, so the web browsers would not display screen tearing when pages are scrolled.
Under Wayland, the file is not required.
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@edwardp
KDE Plasma 6.x is not yet released, but will be soon.
The new Debian 12, 'Bookworm', which will probably be released around July, will only receive KDE Plasma 5.27.
https://linuxiac.com/debian-12-will-include-the-kde-plasma-5-27-desktop-environmentThere it will stay in Debian 12 'Stable' for about 3 years, as it looks like now.
So no chance for Plasma 6.x for now.
But Debian is discussing some changes for 'Stable' as well. -
@ingolftopf RIght now, my Sid (unstable) installation has KDE Plasma 5.27.2 and KDE Frameworks 5.103.0. There has been some messages as of late on the Debian KDE e-mail list about bringing in Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106.0 into Sid and testing, but I have noticed that there are now some Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.104.0 packages in Experimental. Whether those will eventually roll over into Sid and testing, remains to be seen.
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i mean no disrespect, but imo debian stable for sure, testing too, & even sid, are not the right distro choices for ardent plasma fans. the plasma devs move much much faster than the debian devs, by deliberate design intent of both parties [fundamentally different ethos]. there are much more suitable distros available that better keep up with plasma.
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@ybjrepnfr I'm also trying out KDE neon User, which has the latest released KDE packages, on top of Ubuntu LTS (jammy).
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@edwardp neon is also a poorer choice, & the reason is included in your own words...
Ubuntu LTS
by definition of being LTS, over time you will find that core system libraries, upon which plasma depends, become obsolete relative to plasma's latest version requirements, given that LTS pkgs are frozen for the life of the LTS [tis kinda the whole point].
if you look in various fora, reddit et al you'll find, over time, a plethora of neon users asking about all sorts of weird misbehaviours that simply do not occur for plasma fans in better-suited distros, eg, arch & archies, opensuse tumbleweed [not leap... never leap, ugh], even kfedora.
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@ybjrepnfr I downloaded the KDE neon Testing image. It's also based on Ubuntu Jammy, but has what I will call a pre-alpha of an upcoming version of KDE Frameworks. As the KDE neon packages are also built on Jammy, if I edited sources.list to pull in the current-release Ubuntu packages, KDE probably would not work afterwards.
I am also trying out Fedora Rawhide. Stable so far.
I also looked at the openSUSE Tumbleweed image, but the installer wanted to install it to the internal HDD by default (big no-no, since Debian is there) and it did not provide an obvious option (no pull-down list) to select another drive (as installers like Anaconda and Calamares offer), so I didn't do anything further with it.
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@edwardp i have failed to persuade numerous peeps of this simple reality over the years, & won't be surprised if i continue to fail [horse, water, lead, drink]. it's just a simple reality... nobody using any point-release [often misleadingly called "stable" release] distro has any logical right to expect that a fast-moving desktop environment like kde plasma will work correctly for them, over time. for such user-cases, rolling-release distros are mandatory.
that said, the plasma devs are seriously considering rescheduling plasma6 release cycles to become only twice a year, to coordinate them with point-release distro cycles. if this large change does occur, my above-mentioned historical truth will likely become irrelevant.
it's >6 years since i last ran opensuse tumbleweed, which has one of the best, most granular, user finessable graphical installers around, in ruby. i'd be amazed if it seriously cannot let users install into a multi-boot environment, via selecting manual not auto partitioning.
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Just.Use.True.Rolling.Distros
(or point releases like Kubuntu (with backports) & Fedora which also move pretty fast)
Again: Development branches of distros and development testbeds for KDE (= KDE Neon) are not meant to be stable nor can they be baptized "rolling", they are there for the development of the next stable version. This includes Fedora Rawhide, Debian Sid, OpenSUSE Factory, OpenMandriva Cooker, et .al. They brake sooner or later for various reasons and the misbehaviours @ybjrepnfr mentioned are too many and too real for every one of those.
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@npro said in KDE Plasma 6 to ship with floating panel and double-click to open apps/files:
the misbehaviours @ybjrepnfr mentioned are too many and too real for every one of those
indeed, & [for the benefit of others reading this, not @npro who already well knows all this stuff] what makes it even worse is that subsequent troubleshooting of these misbehaving plasmas [for reasons which are not their fault], is usually a total pita nightmare, coz many of the "standard" plasma diagnostic techniques won't work properly, given they're predicated on the full installation being up to date, not just some of the packages. yet so many peeps still wanna defiantly stick with their old point-release systems, but also "demand" that their plasma works properly. imo it's quite obtuse & obstinate.
i'll be forever grateful for mint 13 --> 16 --> 17 --> 18, coz it was my intro to both linux and plasma. that said, it was a pretty amazing day when i finally decided to stick my toes in the rolling waters, via os tw as mentioned, whose plasma experience was just so very superior to anything i had with any buntu-based plasmas.
tl;dr: to best use a rolling d/e, use a rolling distro.
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i'll be forever grateful for mint 13 --> 16 --> 17 --> 18, coz it was my intro to both linux and plasma. that said, it was a pretty amazing day when i finally decided to stick my toes in the rolling waters, via os tw as mentioned, whose plasma experience was just so very superior to anything i had with any buntu-based plasmas.
tl;dr: to best use a rolling d/e, use a rolling distro.
The good news, is that we can agree to respectfully disagree.
I have attempted to use 'rolling' distributions in the past (more than one) and personally found the support for a brand new user, non-existent. I have not looked at those distributions since.
I will say that I have been using Linux for 20 years now, the last ~10 years exclusively and people I know who have used Linux longer than I have, including software developers, have told me to stick with the larger distributions, specifically Debian, Fedora and Ubuntu.
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@edwardp said in KDE Plasma 6 to ship with floating panel and double-click to open apps/files:
I have been using Linux for 20 years now
This is very hard to believe for someone who makes his *distrohop nowadays and learning stuff alongside just now, uses development branches almost like in a "fetish-way" in order to roll? and writes things down like he is been using those for years (see Frameworks 5.106 topic and others).
Judging by the above and what you write about Mint ('s stability and support obviously) and non-existent support to brand-new users in rolling distros, I'd say it looks like you were using only Debian in a timespan of 20 years only occasionally and superficially. Aside from the fact that by being a 20 year old Linux user you wouldn't need it, because you would have gained some experience in all those years to see that the differences in reality are really minor between all GNU/Linux distros who adhere to the FHS, and previously to the LSB (which included it).
And frankly, a number doesn't say anything. I was told some time ago about a (now pretty known) youtuber who became very proficient in Linux by starting with it just 4 years ago. (Chris Titus)
*(what is) Debian sid -> OpenMandriva ROME -> Debian testing -> Fedora Rawhide -> KDE Neon User, KDE Neon Testing)
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@ybjrepnfr said in KDE Plasma 6 to ship with floating panel and double-click to open apps/files:
i mean no disrespect, but imo debian stable for sure, testing too, & even sid, are not the right distro choices for ardent plasma fans. the plasma devs move much much faster than the debian devs, by deliberate design intent of both parties [fundamentally different ethos]. there are much more suitable distros available that better keep up with plasma.
Both Fedora and Debian are dinosaurs truly meant for anything but the Plasma desktop. Arch and Arch based distros are the way to go.
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