Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems
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@yngve That's odd. I thought Opera had continued giving security and stability updates to old versions of Windows, well after Chrome had stopped.
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@Eggcorn said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:
@yngve That's odd. I thought Opera had continued giving security and stability updates to old versions of Windows, well after Chrome had stopped
If they did/do that, they would have to find and reapply ALL the removed code, maintain and debug it, and not the least resolve all the merge conflicts that will show up like clockwork when updating the code base.
The latter is a process that takes us 2+ days when doing it for Vivaldi, with just 100ish files conflicting (and keeping old patches in will cause a lot more of them), and is part of a process that takes 2+ weeks to complete for us.
But, in any case, Opera has the (large) number of developers needed to accomplish such a task.
Note that this is about supporting old OSes for a Chromium based browser. It would have been a completely different, and easier, task for Opera Presto (Opera 12 and earlier), since Opera controlled that code.
Developer and Security Expert at Vivaldi.
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@Pesala said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:
I just accept that it makes economic sense to upgrade my PC every ten years or so. Performance increases by an order of magnitude in that period.
My desktops are 13 and 11 years old. The 13-year-old desktop recently had its HDD replaced with a SATA SSD.
Debian boots and performs so much faster now from the SSD, that one would think it's a brand new PC.
The 11-year-old desktop is still on its OEM HDD (also running Debian), but I've purchased a second SATA SSD and plan to eventually install it.
Vivaldi on:
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Fedora 41 and Fedora Rawhide (Xfce 4.18)
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@yngve said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:
But, in any case, Opera has the (large) number of developers needed to accomplish such a task.
Ah, I thought you were implying that they didn't.
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@edwardp , very good decisions. A PC can survive more than a decade without problems, like any technical device with the corresponding care and maintenance. It's not that it stops being useful, because you don't want to change to a more suitable OS or upgrade. Since at the soft and OS level it does not depend on the requirements of the PC, but on the needs of the network in terms of new web formats and security aspects and exploits that exist in quantities of hundreds of thousands, where an obsolete OS is unable to fend.
The great advantage of Linux is that in its requirements, depending on the distro, the age and capacity of the PC is practically irrelevant and yet it has the necessary features to function with the latest applications, for example in our case Vivaldi.>Laptop Lenovo V145 15AST, AMD A9- 9425 Radeon R5 - 5 cores 3,1 GHz RAM 8GB, GPU 2+1 GB SSD 256GB -Win10 64 v22H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Catweazle I actually gave up on Windows years ago. The 13-year-old desktop came with Windows Vista pre-installed and the 11-year-old came with Windows 7.
In both instances, after a while, but while both were still supported OS', Windows Update mysteriously stopped working. Both of them were displaying errors that this or that could not be updated due to this or that error and going through what I found online at the time to fix the errors, none of the solutions worked, so I went with Linux full-time and once Vista and 7 were no longer officially supported, I erased those partitions from the hard drives.
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@edwardp not mysterious at all. Even 10 and 11 had devices with updates halted due lack of some core driver or some kind of bug. Unless there is a valid reason to enforce Windows, Linux is a good choice.
Patience Is The Key To Get The Vivaldi Spree | Unsupported Extensions | Github | w11 + Kde Manjaro + Android 13
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@Hadden89 , do you know Deepin 20? It's a real Windows 10/11 killer and only need 1 Gb RAM. It's a real beauty.
>Laptop Lenovo V145 15AST, AMD A9- 9425 Radeon R5 - 5 cores 3,1 GHz RAM 8GB, GPU 2+1 GB SSD 256GB -Win10 64 v22H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Catweazle Nope but It look nice even I'm not very sure on how QT can perform with 1gb, actually ^^
Patience Is The Key To Get The Vivaldi Spree | Unsupported Extensions | Github | w11 + Kde Manjaro + Android 13
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@Hadden89 , it's just the bare minimum for this OS to work, about half of what Win 10/11 needs.
But it is a value that is still widely surpassed by any PC, even if it is old, at least one that no longer has a tube monitor.
Deepin is based on Debian and has similar min sys specs.@Zalex108 , 20.8, I think, it's the last stable.
>Laptop Lenovo V145 15AST, AMD A9- 9425 Radeon R5 - 5 cores 3,1 GHz RAM 8GB, GPU 2+1 GB SSD 256GB -Win10 64 v22H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you" · Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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@Catweazle Yes, but never been an huge fan of Plasma-Like desktops and QT4 carries over a lot of dependecies ^^,
Guess I'm more into GTK-Classic(Xfce)/OpenBox but I still have to buy a case and a cheap GPU for my
machine.
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@Hadden89 At that point, I had no reason to use Windows anymore. What I was able to do with Windows, I could just as easily perform the same tasks with Linux.
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@Zalex108 , well, on the one hand, slow is subjective (Vivaldi in any case doesn't stand out for being the fastest) and apparently, he has the same thing on Windows. It occurs to me that it is more a problem of the speed of the processor (even the crappy laptop I have has 3.6 GHz) or some graphic problem.
>Laptop Lenovo V145 15AST, AMD A9- 9425 Radeon R5 - 5 cores 3,1 GHz RAM 8GB, GPU 2+1 GB SSD 256GB -Win10 64 v22H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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Here works on an older + limited PC xD
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For those on LowEnd and want to stick in Win,
This would help.
Click above
Tested on a
1.6GHz Core Duo 2 GB DDR2 HDDIt works!
V as a
but can run.
Actually, tested on Mint and Zorin x86 and doesn't fly either but those specs are quite low so a normal behavior.
(Also not enough Linux Techy to adequate at it's max
)"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you" · Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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@Zalex108
Hi, does this Windows "Distro" include a running security system?
Some of these Lite Windows remove Defender for better performance, for example.Cheers, mib
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Right,
It's removed too.It can be installed otherwise if I recall.
Actually there are some different versions with different setups.Any way, before install and pretend to use it as default, the ReadMe has to me read to understand the differences.
On my side I'm without AV since years ago xD
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@mib2berlin , in my old Windows in the past since XP, I used the Panda AV, very lightweight (~20Mb), fast and very efficient. Receive virus definition in the cloud in real time, not from a database on disk. It was the first AV with this system, with this it don't slow down humble systems.
The free version is enough, currently it has even a VPN, but limited in the free version (150Mb/day).>Laptop Lenovo V145 15AST, AMD A9- 9425 Radeon R5 - 5 cores 3,1 GHz RAM 8GB, GPU 2+1 GB SSD 256GB -Win10 64 v22H2| Vivaldi last stable|
