Scrolling laggy and lots of framedrops after switching from Nvidia to AMD
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Hi everyone,
I recently sidegraded from a 2080 to a 6650XT.
After installing the 6650XT and setting up the system I noticed that vivaldi from nowhere has major issues with scrolling.
Choppy, inconsistent framerates, making it a jarring and juddery experience.I didn't have this with the 2080 installed nor do I have this problem in other browsers, but I do keep having this issue even in incognito mode.
Does anyone have some suggestions?
Toggling hardware acceleration did not do the trick sadly.
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Nothing particularly helpful to add except that I've noticed jittery performance intermittently recently.
Worth mentioning though; I didn't start noticing it until I reinstalled after a fresh installation of Windows on this machine, but I cannot recall if it started before or after I installed Radeon Adrenaline for my 6900xt (I briefly relied on whatever driver Windows provided upon re-installation).So I guess my contribution might be "same here" ?
The issue comes and goes seemingly randomly, PC reboot seems to help briefly, but what I usually see is that I get some choppiness/hitching when I hover certain elements, or when clicking to load new content.
There was one case where I could consistently recreate the issue by opening settings, and the browser would hitch every time the cursor in the search field blinked.
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I've actually determined that Edge has similar behaviors.
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@Thombog @RidoKilos
Hi, I have a much less advanced AMD iGPU from the Ryzen 7 and have no lag on any Chromium browser.
Thombog mention en/disable HW acceleration does not change anything but disable it leads Vivaldi to work on the CPU only so the GPU is not involved, strange.
Any third party anti virus software installed?
These can block Vivaldi to dead but should not block Edge for example. If you use one disable it for a test.
I hope other user with AMD hardware steps by to help but I cant imagine all AMD GPU user have laggy Chromium browser.Cheers, mib
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An integrated GPU wouldn't necessarily have the same troubles as a discrete GPU, but I'm also not convinced that it is the GPU itself that Vivaldi is struggling with, but perhaps the software/drivers.
Also probably unrelated, but kind of what I'm referring to, we can find in the Release notes of the latest optional Adrenaline drivers:
- Stuttering may occur during video playback using hardware acceleration with Firefox on some AMD Graphics Products such as the Radeon
RX 6900 XT.
Firefox and Vivaldi/chromium are obviously very different, but what I'm trying to demonstrate is that if it is AMD related (and it might not be), it wouldn't necessarily affect all AMD GPU hardware, and it could have more to do with a specific set of drivers.
When it comes back again for me I'll try again in an incognito tab or with extensions all disabled.
- Stuttering may occur during video playback using hardware acceleration with Firefox on some AMD Graphics Products such as the Radeon
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Able to recreate my issue by playing more than one embedded twitter video on a page at one time.
Incognito doesn't have the same trouble, so now it is a matter of process of elimination i suppose.Edit; I'm suddenly unable to re-create.. Playing one video on the same page as another is no longer possible, moments after I was just able to do so in my unedited post...
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Exceptionally frustrating.
I cannot seem to reliably recreate the issue, but it certainly occurs often enough to drive me crazy... -
@RidoKilos
Hi, there was a bug playing Twitter videos if they are created with an iPhone,thought it was fixed in one of the 5.5 updates.
Hm, cant find it in the change logs of 5.5.
You can try to install the 5.6 snapshot of Vivaldi as standalone install to make it independent to your stable install.https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/install-update/standalone-version-of-vivaldi/
Cheers, mib
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To add some more, it seems that the behaviour is actually all over the place.
Sometimes scrolling is a mess, but randomly it will fix itself for some time but then it will also go back to being a mess.
I'm also trying to recreate this issue (like @RidoKilos), but I'm having no such luck.
I most definitely do not have this issue with firefox, but I can try using chrome/edge for a bit to see if it crops up there as well.I do not have an antivirus running except for windows defender itself, so that can't be it.
@mib2berlin said in Scrolling laggy and lots of framedrops after switching from Nvidia to AMD:
@RidoKilos
Hi, there was a bug playing Twitter videos if they are created with an iPhone,thought it was fixed in one of the 5.5 updates.
Hm, cant find it in the change logs of 5.5.
You can try to install the 5.6 snapshot of Vivaldi as standalone install to make it independent to your stable install.https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/install-update/standalone-version-of-vivaldi/
Cheers, mib
I installed snapshot 5.6, selected essentials and scrolled on a website and it was very jerky, same as my install.
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Glad @Thombog tested the snapshot because I couldn't find time (or a way beyond my laziness perhaps) to do it.
I believe I mentioned it before, but I do get similar behavior in Edge (a chromium browser) so I'm certain it isn't exclusively a Vivaldi problem. I do want to continue investigating and sharing information here though. Will continue to share what I find when I have time.
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Found some old reddit post that mentioned turning off the windows 10 feature to 'automatically pick an accent color from my background' to resolve such issues.
It didn't fix it immediately after changing the setting.
Restarted the PC anyway. This usually temporarily resolves the issue so really no news here. It is currently not an issue.I also apparently hate the scientific method.
I've also disabled another windows setting while i wait to see if the issues return; the "transparency effects". So I guess i won't necessarily know for sure what fixed it if the issue doesn't return. -
@RidoKilos said in Scrolling laggy and lots of framedrops after switching from Nvidia to AMD:
Found some old reddit post that mentioned turning off the windows 10 feature to 'automatically pick an accent color from my background' to resolve such issues.
It didn't fix it immediately after changing the setting.
Restarted the PC anyway. This usually temporarily resolves the issue so really no news here. It is currently not an issue.I also apparently hate the scientific method.
I've also disabled another windows setting while i wait to see if the issues return; the "transparency effects". So I guess i won't necessarily know for sure what fixed it if the issue doesn't return.I feel like disabling these features helped because the issue has not been as bad as in previous cases. Probably more to this.
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@RidoKilos @Thombog
Hi, I had no time for Vivaldi for a week or so, any news about this?
I have to mention, the first thing I do on a new Windows install, I disable all poppycock of Windows like transparency, animation, mouse shadow and some more.
I do this since Windows 95 iirc, so I forget about to mention it in this thread.
Maybe on some systems the combination of GPU/driver and Chromium browsers can cause such issues.
German translation of this setting gives "Advanced system settings". If you use the "Power" setting Windows looks really ugly, no font smoothing for example but it is easy to test.Cheers, mib
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@mib2berlin
I'm trying the option of disabling hardware acceleration again and for some reason it is actually helping this time. I noticed no change before. I'm not sure what is different, but it isn't completely resolved either, just improved.It also seems really bizarre that I can't rely on a 6900xt to render for a web browser.
I don't get it.
Edit: forgot to mention that this change has made video playback miserable.
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I would try clean drivers installation after cleanup with Display Driver Uninstaller(DDU) especially when switching from nvidia to amd or the other way around.
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@RidoKilos
Hi, even an older i5 CPU should could handle HD video full screen.
My Ryzen 7 can handle 2 4K 60p on two displays without lagging.
You have a strong system, I cant understand why there are issues with video streaming at all.Cheers, mib
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I did some changes and the issue seems to have gone away in general now.
I'm not sure what exactly improved the situation, but I think it was this that did it:
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5157/~/after-updating-to-nvidia-game-ready-driver-461.09-or-newer,-some-desktop-appsThere was some noise that this option got removed in a W11 update, but I'm not sure if that would also break the fix or not (I'm using W10).
No guarantees it will work for others as something else may have "accidentally" fixed it as well.
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Hi, the solution @Thombog mention is about Multiplane Overlay issues of Nvidia cards, maybe AMD have a similar feature.
Cheers, mib
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@mib2berlin
Well, yes, it apparently applies to AMD as well.
I got it from the subreddit.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/yvyqc7/disabling_multiplane_overlay_mpo_fixed_all/
