There are now 2.4 million users of Vivaldi (digi.no)

Pathduck

I found this article on the Norwegian tech news site Digi:
https://www.digi.no/artikler/na-er-det-2-4-millioner-som-bruker-vivaldi/523443

"The "Norwegian" browser Vivaldi has now reached 2.4 million users, the founder, Jon von Tetzchner, told Digi.no when we met him for a chat in Vivaldi's head office at Akerselva in Oslo. Three years ago, von Tetzchner said that the number of users was probably somewhere between 1.2 and 1.3 million."

Pesala

@Pathduck That just about matches Vivaldi's own Number of Users.

luetage

@Pathduck What should be noted is this is only half of the number originally projected for Vivaldi to sustain itself.

danielson

It's a tough market to break into.

Maybe if Vivaldi were to start one on the side, built on Rust?

Darin Fisher (of Netscape, Firefox, Chrome fame) sees the need to re-invent the browser:
https://browsercompany.substack.com/p/6ea1508a-d93e-425b-b129-fbb2800ec697

After all, it's either Firefox or Chromium based.
Not much choice, eh?

luetage

@danielson This link… It’s bunch of neatly composed empty words with a few buzzwords sprinkled in. I heard about the company before, but obviously I had to look into their browser, Arc. It is yet another Chromium clone and what they got is

sidebar
tiled tabs
quick commands
notes
simplified view by default (think toggle UI in Vivaldi)

Not at all revolutionary, just a mix of features from other browsers. Outside funding! and based in the US : /

Not my cuppa tea 🫖

danielson

Not too innovative after all.

WildEnte

@luetage said in There are now 2.4 million users of Vivaldi (digi.no):

@Pathduck What should be noted is this is only half of the number originally projected for Vivaldi to sustain itself.

and from the article "Operating costs that are not covered by the turnover are still deducted from von Tetzchner's own wallet."

Which means we should be extra thankful to @jon that he keeps financing our favorite hobby.

luetage

@WildEnte Yes, indeed. He didn’t have to do this. I’m grateful for it. But I do hope Vivaldi will be able to turn this around and make a profit one day.

WildEnte

@luetage and you're helping

treego

There should be 2.4 BILLION users IF people knew better!

RiveDroite

@luetage I hope they find a way to get more users.

WildEnte

@DerHimmelssheriff I always thought small business could be a great target group. Big enough to look for productivity, not willing to invest in big tech solutions.

Pesala

@DerHimmelssheriff Do what you can to promote Vivaldi on YouTube, Twitter, etc.

Tell your friends and colleagues about it using the email client.

luetage

@DerHimmelssheriff What does native app on the smartphone even mean? If you are using the Google Mail app on the phone, this is just another email client like Vivaldi mail. Webmail is no replacement for an email client. You either have to channel all your mail accounts through that one server, or you use different servers and different webmail accounts, which you have to check individually. It’s a bad solution. An email client is no fringe feature. You can argue that a dedicated client like Thunderbird, Apple Mail, or Outlook serve your personal needs better compared to an email client in the browser, but this is a matter of taste. Webmail however is no alternative.

Ayespy

@DerHimmelssheriff iOS is in the works.

My work requires I have a permanent local physical copy of each and every email I send or receive. Are you aware of a web app that does this?

treego

Whatever is popular is so often popular for the wrong reasons ... this is true of many, many things -- including browsers.

As for Vivaldi, one can make it just like the popular browsers if one wants to.

But for me, Vivaldi is special because it incorporates so many things that it makes work/browse-flow so much better!

I have my web panel sites like GMail, YMail, Facebook, Twitter, and GAB along with newsfeeds, mail, calendar, notes, etc. accessible from the panel. I have customized mouse gestures and keyboard shortcuts to open up any of these things in a flash and get what I want to immediately and effortlessly.

Of course, I have other routine sites that I visit in bookmarks/speed dial that are cleverly and easily accessible via Quick Commands nickname matching that is unparalleled when compared to other browsers.

Simply put, browsing with all the other browsers is simply boring and not nearly as efficient as it is in Vivaldi for me and others who have delved into Vivaldi's possibilities. That is why we are a passionate user base ... simply because Vivaldi does with browsing what no other browser can do.

Some are content with the vanilla browsing offered by other browsers, BUT I prefer all the flavors with Vivaldi!

TalGarik

@Ayespy said in There are now 2.4 million users of Vivaldi (digi.no):

@DerHimmelssheriff iOS is in the works.

My work requires I have a permanent local physical copy of each and every email I send or receive. Are you aware of a web app that does this?

workplaces were the main reason of Firefox' success fifteen years ago and they are still the reason of the inflated numbers of Firefox' desktop users, the day when all those firms and public institutions will renew their software the developers will come with Chrome or Edge and Firefox- numbers will collapse to its mobile level.
You can use Vivaldi at work, I guess you are self-employed, but no firm or public institution - who for their computers rely on an external software firms - will ever use Vivaldi because software developers working in that line of business have preferred Chrome for years and now Edge.

TalGarik

@DerHimmelssheriff said in There are now 2.4 million users of Vivaldi (digi.no):

My point was: What does make Vivaldi more attractive for more people? And I personally would answer: Not by putting an email-client into it. An iOS browser on the other hand is long overdue.

these days 60% - and has been constantly growing for years - of the internet traffic goes through mobile, Vivaldi came late to android and it is not on iOS yet, it is a lost train.
Vivaldi looks more and more like Jon's personal toy -capriccio - the man is obviously clever and if a clever man loses money for 8 years in a row in a business it means that he can afford it and that this is a venture which has a special flavor for him, I could be wrong but I see no other explanation of why someone would keep alive a failing business.

treego

Ayespy

@TalGarik Amazon lost millions for 6 years, Tesla for 18.

Jon did well for himself in his exit from Opera

From the start, Jon declared Vivaldi was "a browser for our friends." I'm not sure it's making money, yet (he initially said that would require 2M users) but it's probably at least not losing much at this stage.

But usership, staff and traffic have only grown from day one.