Tabs on left/right fixed size

[snowman]

I would suggest to make tabs bar fixed size (disable resize) when it appear on left or right.

Reason. Often when tabs number become high like 100 or greater when I pick the scrollbar and pull it down I misclick and change the tabs bar size which also pulls change page viewport which calls full redraw of all pages etc. It brings browser halt on a few seconds. Then I need to restore previous tabs bar size manually every time i resize it. It gets me crazy because of it happen often.

[Pesala]

@snowman Try double-clicking with the arrow cursor to restore the tab bar width to the default or icon only.

[snowman]

@Pesala It works and restores tabs bar to the 100px width. But I use 250-300px width. Anyway I often misclick on the scrollbar and resize it. It complicated by the fact that resize cursor appear at the middle of the scrollbar, so I have only a half space of scrollbar to click on it for scrolling.

[Pesala]

@snowman Try Settings, Tabs, Tab Features:

Switch Tabs by Scrolling

Another workaround is to disable the Tab Bar and use the Window Panel, which can be set to autohide and floating, hence no issue with resizing the webpage.

[snowman]

@Pesala No. Why do you think I'm telling about switching tabs by scrolling? The Windows Panel is useless and extremely uncomfortable.

[Pesala]

@snowman said in Tabs on left/right fixed size:

The Windows Panel is useless and extremely uncomfortable.

Given your struggles with the vertical tab bar, I am having a hard time seeing what is useless or extremely uncomfortable about the Window Panel.

1. The scrollwheel scrolls tabs into view without actually switching tabs
2. If set to "Floating" the webpage does not redraw
3. If not set to "Floating" the webpage does not redraw unless you accidentally resize the Window Panel (See 1, you no longer need to grab the scrollbar to view other tabs)
4. The window panel can be resized to ~60% of the viewport width
5. The panel can have its own width, separate from the other panels.
6. There is a search field for finding tabs quickly without scrolling
7. All actions such as Reload, Clone, Bookmark, Stack can be done, just like the Tab Bar
8. The URL of any tab can be copied without switching to it.
9. The panel can be collapsed, or hidden completely when not needed (F4).
10. If you use other panels regularly, leave the panel toolbar displayed and click to switch to Downloads, Bookmarks, etc.

I hope you get your desired feature request one day, but meanwhile you might try using the Window Panel for a while to see if it really is useless, or if you have not yet learn how to use it.

[snowman]

@Pesala

1. I disabled scrollwheel for tabs at the very beginning of using Vivaldi.
2. The floating mode is useless. If you want to see sibling tab names you should move mouse and click one more button then click again if you want to hide it. Additionally Window Panel icon is small enough and I sometimes click sibling icon instead.
3. Tabs Search easily activates by pressing F2, you even don't need to move your mouse and make several clicks.
4. Again it has the same resize issue. The resize area covers scrollbar on a half.
5. I'm unable to see which tabs are hibernated on Window Panel.
6. The Window Panel favicon behavior is weird. It always flush cache and reloads icons every time I open Window Panel.

Maybe something else. But in general it is useless.

I had an experience of using it. And I dislike it.

[snowman]

@Pesala I don't understand this thread. I'm describing real UX and it has a problem, instead you are trying to convince me that this is correct.

[Pesala]

@snowman said in Tabs on left/right fixed size:

I'm describing real UX and it has a problem, instead you are trying to convince me that this is correct.

I am not saying that there is no problem (for you), but it may be years before you see the desired setting implemented.

• If tab bar scrolling is disabled, when the tabs overflow the vertical space, the scroll wheel does the same as dragging the scrollbar. It allows you to view other tabs without switching tabs, and without any risk of accidentally resizing the tab bar.

Good luck with finding a workflow that works for you.

[snowman]

@Pesala Have you ever tried to use mouse scroll to move down for several pages? If you never know the scrollwheel speed is very slow comparing to use fast moving scrollbar down just with mouse click.
Compare. Scroll down using 57 movements of the wheel or just scroll bar holding left mouse button and moving mouse cursor down quickly (I have 352 tabs opened). Scrolling down with the wheel takes around 20 seconds, scrolling down using scrollbar takes 2 seconds. Just obvious what is easier to use.

PLEASE stop trying to convince me!

[dude99]

@snowman This is another accessibility oversight from v team when designing the vertical tabbar. I also noticed this problem years ago, so I resolved this annoyance by moving the scrollbar of the left tabbar to the left side with CSS mod.

Pls read the pinned topic in modifications forum to enabled CSS mod support: https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/10549

[snowman]

@dude99 Thanks man I'll take a look. I also found Vivaldi is built with React (at least looks like, especially when I see useEffect methods)

[dude99]

@snowman If u want u can add min-width: 360px; to #tabs-tabbar-container:is(.left, .right) to keep it static.

Then you can also try something more fancy with the flexibility to rezise the tabbar when you don't need it, then transform into static width when you accessing it.

#tabs-tabbar-container:is(.left, .right) {transition: min-width .12s ease-out 0s !important}
#tabs-tabbar-container:is(.left, .right):is(:focus-within, :hover, :active) {min-width: 360px;}

or u can just automate the entire tabbar: https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/365881