Solved Cmd + Shift + ? | ?
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Hi,
As a user, when I activate help (cmd + shift + ?) using keyboard then search/filter toolbar commands and navigate (arrow keys) to select a command (enter) nothing happens?!
It works fine in Safari..?
Screen cast: https://drive.filen.io/d/7f751c13-596d-4b35-8f31-7de9645779b5#MXIpCVVlw3op7qrLeZB1wgw9lxpIxq4r
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Hope to hear back
Sincerely
software:
Vivaldi 5.0.2497.24 (Stable channel) (x86_64) Revision fedc9977d91d270b6659fd3b0cc8873ac07d1c0d OS macOS Version 12.0.1 (Build 21A559) JavaScript V8 9.6.180.12 User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15_7) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/96.0.4664.51 Safari/537.36 Command Line /Applications/Vivaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/Vivaldi --flag-switches-begin --flag-switches-end --origin-trial-disabled-features=CaptureHandle --disable-smooth-scrolling --save-page-as-mhtml Executable Path /Applications/Vivaldi.app/Contents/MacOS/Vivaldi Profile Path /Users/ldexterldesign/Library/Application Support/Vivaldi/Default Linker lld -
@ldexterldesign With the release of version 6.9, this is fixed!
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Ever since Personal Computer Time Immemorial the F1 function key has been the HELP key of choice. Always try it first in whatever program has the focus. It could save you a lot of finger gymnastics and bumping
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@snotklapvalley said in As a user, when I activate help (cmd + shift + ?) using keyboard then search/filter toolbar commands [... ] nothing happens?!:
Ever since Personal Computer Time Immemorial the F1 function key has been the HELP key of choice. Always try it first in whatever program has the focus. It could save you a lot of finger gymnastics and bumping
That may work with Windows, but not with MacOS.
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@streptococcus said in As a user, when I activate help (cmd + shift + ?) using keyboard then search/filter toolbar commands [... ] nothing happens?!:
That may work with Windows, but not with MacOS.
Sorry, i realised that Idexterldesign was using an Apple, but i figured that function keys came right down from IBM in the early 80's. Even the Commodore 64 had 8 of them. Apple also has Function keys F1 to F12 and so there is no reason why anyone would need to map HELP to another key. Anyways, if no reason is the case and one hits F1 and it works, then they might quickly find that Vivaldi is Chrome based and will automatically have another source for help. It seems Idexterldesign has been waiting patiently for 3 months for a reply and has probably found another browser by now. Sounded like "cmd" was a DOS function or a function usually mapped to the Ctrl (control) key. "?" is also the DOS HELP for commands e,g, typing: netstat ? (at the Windows CMD prompt) will give one all they need to know about the command netstat. "+" in syntax usually means hold down one key then "+" is hold down the next key, but don't let go of the first and so on. Even on an Apple keyboard, that's gymnastics
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I have F1 through F12 on my MacBook Pro. When in Vivaldi, hitting F1 does nothing whatsoever. However, hitting (cmd + shift + ?) does does indeed cause the Help menu to drop down. This is the same behavior as with Safari and Firefox.
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@younkint said in As a user, when I activate help (cmd + shift + ?) using keyboard then search/filter toolbar commands [... ] nothing happens?!:
I have F1 through F12 on my MacBook Pro. When in Vivaldi, hitting F1 does nothing whatsoever. However, hitting (cmd + shift + ?) does does indeed cause the Help menu to drop down. This is the same behavior as with Safari and Firefox.
Well there's a thing. Exactly the same as what IdexterIdesign said did not work in Vivaldi which must be Chrome based. Firefox and Safari are Mozilla based ex Netscape circa 1998.
Actually when i want Help via keyboard i hit Alt (Alternate - your "option" key i presume) and then H and the Underlined letter of choice (no hold downs required) . Alternatively, I click the mouse cursor on the Vivaldi icon in the upper left corner and continue clicking from there.
Still no finger gymnastics. It's no wonder you have to take a byte (sic).
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Yes, it does work for me. Perhaps something has changed since IdexterIdesign posted originally. I can't speak as to whether it has always worked for me, as I don't access "Help" all that often and if I do, I use a different method.
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@younkint said in As a user, when I activate help (cmd + shift + ?) using keyboard then search/filter toolbar commands [... ] nothing happens?!:
Yes, it does work for me. Perhaps something has changed since IdexterIdesign posted originally. I can't speak as to whether it has always worked for me, as I don't access "Help" all that often and if I do, I use a different method.
Sorry, had to tend to my dog. She's been sick. "slip and slide Round my brain..." Would that method be the cool slide in method that looks as though it slides out using the the far left icon on the bottom toolbar? The help that takes one to the Vivaldi Browser, Community and Services Help https://help.vivaldi.com
It might be better if the Menu was opaque and actually slid in over the page instead of doing a shifty shift, but i've found that if you open the side window panel whilst replying to a comment one is far less restricted to comment window space.
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Yeah, I sometimes forget that sidebar Help thingy is there. Quite useful, though.
Hope your dog does better soon.
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@snotklapvalley said in
It might be better if the Menu was opaque and actually slid in over the page instead of doing a shifty shift, but i've found that if you open the side window panel whilst replying to a comment one is far less restricted to comment window space.
The menu for me is opaque and it does drop down over the application. What use would a transparent menu be anyway? You would have serious problems reading it over any picture or text.
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@streptococcus said in As a user, when I activate help (cmd + shift + ?) using keyboard then search/filter toolbar commands [... ] nothing happens?!:
The menu for me is opaque and it does drop down over the application. What use would a transparent menu be anyway? You would have serious problems reading it over any picture or text.
Exactly. Only we might be talking cross purposes. i'm trying to explain purposes and you're getting cross
The "menu" i was talking about is the side "panel" menu. In fact is not a panel, it's a split screen. When it opens, (it does not drop down) it looks as though it slides in, but the deceit lies in that momentarily after opening, the page resize for the main page takes effect. What you then have is split windows. There are of course side bar menus that pop out if you move your cursor near the side of the page and they are used on many sites. i have seen at least one that had some degree of transparent, but the page border was narrower than the side bar slide out menu.If your Windows task bar is set to Hide (Lock the taskbar off - mine has always been set to Hide ever since it could be done) then you can drag and drop it to the left of your screen in order to see what i mean. When It's on the left of the screen you can find the edge where the cursor changes to an arrowhead on each side of a line and you can drag the taskbar to about halfway over your screen if you like. That's what i mean. Just did that with mine for a check. PS My taskbar is semi-transparent i.e. opaque However, Windows has buggered with the Themes, but that setting seems to have stuck. Where you change it now i really don't know? They want everything square, rigid and Nazi, so that you need 4 Aspirin for a headache. Yes Sir Mr Klaus. Bloody square heads. Have fun.
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Please keep the thread on topic
If you don't have a solution or something to move this closer to being a bug submission then please don't post
Thank you
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@ldexterldesign Since you posted this topic using Vivaldi 5.0 there is now a Help Panel by default in version 5.3, but the problem remains.
It is not possible to navigate the help documentation without using the mouse.
The video did not help me. It does not seem to be relevant to navigation of the help documentation.
Have you submitted a Bug Report yet? The bug does not occur in the latest Snapshot. The Tab key can be used to navigate the links in the search results, and Enter will open the links.
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Hi @Pesala,
Thanks for reply
Cheers for the heads up about the panel but please don't let it conflate my issue - my issue is not specific to help documentation
My issue, as I originally posted:
As a user, when I activate help (cmd + shift + ?) using keyboard then search/filter toolbar commands and navigate (arrow keys) to select a command (enter) nothing happens?!
I can navigate, select and activate/open all toolbar options with other apps (e.g. macOS Finder, Safari, iTerm) so why is it broken in Vivaldi?
Please see the video again, which may help us get on the same page then if you agree I'll submit a bug
Hope to hear back
Cheers
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@ldexterldesign I am not conflating anything. I just confirmed the bug, and added that it also occurs in the Vivaldi Help panel, which is now available by default in the latest Stable version.
The bug does not affect the latest Snapshot. If you have already submitted a bug report or not, no doubt it will be fixed in the next Stable build.
If it also occurs on other web pages, that might be something to investigate.
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The shortcut Cmd-Shift-? does open the help menu for me.
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@Streptococcus For me, as well. And the panel should be a relief for many...
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There has been a lot of off-topic discussion in this thread, but the original issue that @ldexterldesign described is specific to macOS. On macOS, the Help menu of every app has a search field that can be used like Vivaldi's Quick Commands (or VS Code's Command Palette) to search for and directly execute menu commands.
In Vivaldi, triggering most menu commands via the Help menu that way currently does not work. More specifically, commands in the Edit menu do still work, as do the names of bookmarks, but pretty much all other menu commands do not work, when triggered this way. This bug is tracked as VB-23147.
If I understand correctly, the underlying issue is that Vivaldi currently inserts most of its menu items dynamically after the app has already launched. This causes those menu items to not work with certain native macOS features, such as searches via the Help menu, but it also causes issues with assigning shortcuts to those menu items in System Preferences, and more broadly with with automation software and assistive devices.
My understanding is that there are plans to make the menu items behave more natively, which should fix the present issue, but I don't know what the timeframe for that would be.
