Windows 11 Pro will require a Microsoft Account and Internet connection during setup
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@ultravio1et , and why the hell W11, when they use a W10 which works fine?
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@ultravio1et said in Windows 11 Pro will require a Microsoft Account and Internet connection during setup:
Seems sensible as almost everything on Windows is tied to your account.
If people don't agree with this then why are they using Microsoft productsThat seems not even remotely true, OH because it isn't and I think you know it. It's privacy invasion at it's worst. There is NOTHING in Windows itself that requires you to be constantly signed into it 24/7/365. The only reason Microsoft is doing this is so they can know EVERYTYHING you are doing on your Windows device.
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@locutusofborg , W10 can still be turned into a fast and reasonably private OS (though it's not quite that simple). In W11 they have learned from this and shielded all this telemetry and spyware crap that it includes.
For this reason, the W10 is going to be the last Windows that I am going to use, for sure, it still has a few years left to live, at least until 2025, although I rather think that the same thing is going to happen as with the 7, which I also had a life much longer than that of the date marked.
There are too many users who have a PC not compatible with W11, even with new equipment, that they are not going to buy a new PC to be able to use 11 -
@ultravio1et said in Windows 11 Pro will require a Microsoft Account and Internet connection during setup:
why are they using Microsoft products
Devout masochism?
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When i began hearing of this in recent days, i just giggled... then giggled some more. Thoughts:
- ms are surely just using win11 as a total psychological experiment to see just how far they can go with all their Stockholm Syndromers [to infinity & beyond]
- bring in the tpm thing so that lots of perfectly useful HW will become wilfully redundant for those simply unable to escape from the cult [good job Gaia does not have any problem at all with uncontrolled e-waste & resource depletion]
- win10 was promised to be [paraphrasing] "the last windows you'll ever need to install" [this one was almost as "good" as "Don't be evil"], & yet, here we are
- win10 was such a good deal ... pay money for the privilege of untrammelled telemetry
- win11 apparently takes the piss-taking to Next Level, by this amazeballs account policy
Baa, baa, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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Re TPM, Microsoft account & Microsoft's continuous process -happening day by day* for ages- "closing" the PC platform and securing it against your actions, not for you:
Windows 11 Must Be Stopped - A Veteran PC Repair Shop Owner's Dire Warning
*enjoy the next day already,
CES 2022: Chip to cloud security: Pluton-powered Windows 11 PCs are coming
"To deliver that for our customers, we’ve made several important strides with the release of secured-core PCs, Windows 11 and the Microsoft Pluton security processor. The Microsoft Pluton is a security processor, pioneered in Xbox and Azure Sphere, designed to store sensitive data, like encryption keys, securely within the Pluton hardware, which is integrated into the die of a device’s CPU "
"The Pluton security processor’s firmware will be updateable through Windows Update along with standard industry controls. "
comments and stuff: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/rwrz0x/microsoft_to_introduce_chip_to_cloud_security/
In conclusion, that's the price to pay for supporting a laughable & faulty OS that can never be secure on a software level, because it was not written to be like that from scratch, [single-user, single-tasking and not-network-aware, patched later with a clone of the VMS kernel (developed by Digital , MS-DOS being a not that legal clone of Digital Research's CP/M before that -Billy G must have had some form of fetish with companies starting with Digital I guess-)] named as NT, only to become an insecure technical mess of old APIs & new subsystems held together with bubblegum), contrary to UNIX and its descendants which were written for multi-tasking, multi-user and security from the beginning.
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@guigirl said in Windows 11 Pro will require a Microsoft Account and Internet connection during setup:
Baa, baa, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
but, buuut Windows 11 was so good till they introduced Microsoft Account junk
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Slightly OT... I am not worried at all as M$oft keeps telling my computer is not compatible w/Win 11. Apparently my CPU is not supported.
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@greybeard said in Windows 11 Pro will require a Microsoft Account and Internet connection during setup:
Apparently my CPU is not supported.
There is a workaround:
But Microsoft has published a bypass for those who really want to install Windows 11 on hardware that at least supports Secure Boot and some kind of TPM. It requires a trip to the Registry Editor, so tread lightly and make sure your important data is backed up.
Looking for Linux alternatives to evaluate.
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@stardust Hmm... Thanx. I does support all that. Just the CPU apparently. Not sure I'll go that way but its worth the read.
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@stardust , I have Secure Boot and TPM, but it's incompatible with AMD Radeon.
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@catweazle Have you tried method with Registry Editor described in the article? I just wonder if it works with AMD cpu.
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@stardust , the strange thing is, that in the compatibilty list, there are Radeon CPU, but older than mine.
And yes, I know how to bypass this, but I don't see any reason to do this. I have now a good, private and fast OS which works at my like, that has cost me a lot of configurations and time to achieve it, without losing functionalities.
In my opinion it would be idiotic to change now to an OS that is basically still in beta and even more encrypted, without bringing anything really new, more than a poor imitation of a Mac Desktop. -
@catweazle said in Windows 11 Pro will require a Microsoft Account and Internet connection during setup:
@locutusofborg , W10 can still be turned into a fast and reasonably private OS (though it's not quite that simple). In W11 they have learned from this and shielded all this telemetry and spyware crap that it includes.
For this reason, the W10 is going to be the last Windows that I am going to use, for sure, it still has a few years left to live, at least until 2025, although I rather think that the same thing is going to happen as with the 7, which I also had a life much longer than that of the date marked.
There are too many users who have a PC not compatible with W11, even with new equipment, that they are not going to buy a new PC to be able to use 11You do know that the various Tweak tool makers will fix it so one can once again turn off the telemetry and make it where you can have a local account. You can bet the code for all is still there cause Microsour never removes old code. Tey just bury it. Happy to be rid of them and their OS for over 4 years now.
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@locutusofborg I have a local account in Win11. It happens I do have a Microsoft account, but it is not connected to this machine.
Likewise, my wife's Win11 machine is on a local account.
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@locutusofborg , I don't doubt it, but it doesn't invalidate that there is currently no reason to move to W11, having a W10 already tweaked and that works perfectly, especially considering that W11 is still far from being a mature OS, with obvious compatibility problems .
Apart from that the functional differences are quite irrelevant compared to the W10.
It has always been a Windows problem, that after launching a good and beloved version, it presents versions that are a flop, for example after 7, they released 8, which is currently no longer mentioned anywhere and people passing from 7 straight to 10, same thing before with this chestnut Vista, after XP, which was also pretty decent.
I think that the new versions of Windows are due more to economic reasons of M$, than to real tecnical needs, less those of the users. -
@catweazle said:
I have Secure Boot and TPM, but it's incompatible with AMD Radeon.
There's also a workarround, but no, thanks.@stardust said:
Have you tried method with Registry Editor described in the article? I just wonder if it works with AMD cpu.
My Windows desktop is compatible with Windows 11 (but I haven't upgraded), and it is a full AMD system (Ryzen 5 2600X CPU).
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@komposten , I have AMD Radeon, see my signature, which isn't compatible for some obscure reasons, because older Radeons are in the list of compatibilities, but not the version I have., nor others newer versions.
My system has enough RAM, also secure boot and all other sys specs needed. Anyway, as I said, I don't think in update to 11., I only know this incopatibility by a notice of M$, which intended to update my system to 11, without asking me, in one of a regular update. Because of this, be aware in your updates if you use 10. -
@ayespy said in Windows 11 Pro will require a Microsoft Account and Internet connection during setup:
@locutusofborg I have a local account in Win11. It happens I do have a Microsoft account, but it is not connected to this machine.
Likewise, my wife's Win11 machine is on a local account.
You have a local account for NOW, but Microsoft has made it very clear in upcoming updates and installs for 11 that will no long be the case.
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@catweazle said in Windows 11 Pro will require a Microsoft Account and Internet connection during setup:
@locutusofborg , I don't doubt it, but it doesn't invalidate that there is currently no reason to move to W11, having a W10 already tweaked and that works perfectly, especially considering that W11 is still far from being a mature OS, with obvious compatibility problems .
Apart from that the functional differences are quite irrelevant compared to the W10.
It has always been a Windows problem, that after launching a good and beloved version, it presents versions that are a flop, for example after 7, they released 8, which is currently no longer mentioned anywhere and people passing from 7 straight to 10, same thing before with this chestnut Vista, after XP, which was also pretty decent.
I think that the new versions of Windows are due more to economic reasons of M$, than to real tecnical needs, less those of the users.8 isn't mentioned any more cause 8.1 was released to fix the issues of 8. As for people jumping to 10 over 8 and 8.1 yes cause it was closer to 7 as far as usability. AS for Vista pre service pack 1 yes it was a steaming pile of , but post sp1 it was the OS we were promised if one knew how to set it up properly. XP was just a out and out pile of , no redeeming qualities at all. The official popup and pop under queen of OS's. Windows for the average user has always been about pushing other goods and services that Microcrap has. They really do not care if they make a profit on the OS itself or not because of everything else the OS allows them to make money on.