Arching Vivaldifarians.
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Hah, here's an upcoming, interesting distro to play with
Valve Says SteamOS 3.0 Will Be Available for Everyone to Download and InstallThe Arch-domination will begin with the gamers
. Debianists are sour about it. First Torvalds ditched them for Fedora then this 
P.S. I think I should reserve one piece at some point... it's running KDE and it's a pretty beasty machine coming with a dock, I can think myself using it instead of a laptop
...or a tablet... pffft Android spyware.Steam Deck uses a custom APU from AMD (Zen 2 + RDNA 2) optimized for handheld gaming. It also features a generous 7-inch display with a 1280×800 pixels resolution and 16:10 aspect ratio, 16GB RAM, up to 512GB NVMe SSD storage, Bluetooth 5.0, Dual-Band Wi-Fi AC, and microSD support.
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It's not about V, & not about Arch, but more & more i'm playing this thread by the "my house, my rules" ethos, ha!
Am reading this long discussion https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/qu1le2/where_is_fedoras_online_presence_in_linux_desktop/ & came to this post https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/qu1le2/comment/hknn4mf/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
which resonated with me in that i recall mentioning somewhere in the forum [maybe this thread, maybe another; far too lazy to search now] that whereas KDE on Fedora is kinda ok, it always somehow feels not quite right, or even somehow just a little bit off, for me, compared to Plasma on Arch, Archies, & openSUSE. Seems i'm not alone on that:
I want to use KDE, but it is not the best on Fedora. It always had quirks and small annoyances that I couldn't put up with. It's still on KDE 5.22.5 on F35 (I hope they update it soon).
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@guigirl Well yes, considering Fedora is using GNOME as main and is more of a development distro (for GNOME and Red Hat) , KDE doesn't fit particularly well there, even though it's under KDE's distro recommendations, but heck... even Manjaro is listed there
./added: Obviously for Arch being DE-agnostic, it was natural for the better & more customizable DE
to feel like "home" there, Archies inherited that, and one can't argue about OpenSUSE having it as its flagship from the beginning, the days of S.u.S.E.. -
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@guigirl I don't follow Fedora at all, it would be interesting to know how well (in terms of usage) the KDE spin fairs compared to default GNOME btw. Maybe I should look for a poll somewhere heh.
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Not Fedora this time, but oS.
MeAndTheLampPost
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12h"My only complaint from that time was there was not as many packages that I needed in their repos, which sucked because Zypper is a really cool package manager."
I don't understand this. Do you really use a specific distro because of its package manager? I'm sure that some suck, but what does Zypper has to offer over Apt or whatever?IMO only a cloistered buntu-fan could ask something naive like that. Anyone who has spent serious time with alternative Nixes beyond debianland, knows full well that the package manager itself, & the package management paradigm more broadly, substantially controls the user-experience. IMO
aptis simply horrible, its whole paradigm is yuk, its reliability is crap & its speed is woeful.Zypperis much much better thanapt, as is Fedora'sdnf. All pale againstpacmanofc, but failing Arch/ies, Z & D >>>>> A. To anyone who has only ever used buntus / debs, you really should expand your horizons to gain a more accurate holistic perspective. Fairy cake? ... teehee -
@guigirl Talking about
aptcombined with Pop! OS (
) inexcusable, amateurish fault and a typical Windoze noob (but famous youtuber it seems) who hit "Yes" while ignoring all the warnings, this is hilarious to read 
https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/apt/-/merge_requests/196
tl;dr Handsome-face wants to change apt ,which is ruling half the computers world, in the most idiotic way because of a stupid Windozer, and apt dev shuts him brutaly down lol
Oh my Zsh...
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@npro I chose years ago to basically ignore the LTT channel coz they both seem to me to be wankers; also it's not very Nixie, so... yawn. Thus i only know some, not all, of the finer details about the recent "controversy", but i think i know the main points. As much as that L bloke has been getting mocked for allowing the installer to essentially kill his system, when it plainly told him it was about to kill his system, afaik the actual PopOS Dev has been copping a real thrashing online too.
My care factor? Pretty low, tbh.
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@npro Oh dear!
You are about to do something will break your system. To continue type in the phrase 'Do as I say! Break my system!'I wonder if anyone contemplated the unusual concept of NOT having a package management system so utterly inept?
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@guigirl I don't know.. is it
apt, Pop! OS or both?Jeez...
https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/c54hwa/removing_some_preinstalled_packages_from_pop_os/
and the 1st part of the 2nd link is not even correct heh
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@npro Re LTT... Whilst i acknowledge that PopOS itself might have had some additional dopiness inbuilt, i suspect the main root cause is simply
apt. Iirc, years ago before i moved beyond buntuhell, i also experienced various instances when i wanted to do something, butaptresponded by threatening to remove my desktop et al. Oh dog i hate buntu &apt!Do yourself a !=favour... setup one or two buntu'ish VMs & then proceed to !=enjoy their true wonder... muhahahaha...
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@guigirl said in Arching Vivaldifarians.:
As much as that L bloke has been getting mocked for allowing the installer to essentially kill his system, when it plainly told him it was about to kill his system
Not quite. He had the OS installed OK.
He was attempting to install Steam (for gaming) and, of course he "knew" that a Steam install wasn't dangerous, so chose the "yes, do as I say" option, ignoring the "remove essential files" bit in the block of text before the prompt.
Unfortunately, this was a bug in the Steam install and it DID kill his system!
Note: the bug has been fixed!Win: Snapshot Vivaldi 7.4.3671.3
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@guigirl said in Arching Vivaldifarians.:
@npro Re LTT... Whilst i acknowledge that PopOS itself might have had some additional dopiness inbuilt, i suspect the main root cause is simply
apt. Iirc, years ago before i moved beyond buntuhell, i also experienced various instances when i wanted to do something, butaptresponded by threatening to remove my desktop et al. Oh dog i hate buntu &apt!wow, so it truly can happen to anyone, just wow.
Do yourself a !=favour... setup one or two buntu'ish VMs & then proceed to !=enjoy their true wonder... muhahahaha...
What??? NEVER! I did that mistake once in 2010, (only because a colleague of mine was insisting, also on bare-metal) that's not going to happen again. I'd prefer being tortured waiting for an urgently needed software to be compiled in Gentoo on a Pentium II 450MHz (probably some weeks of waiting, not counting the crashes in-between the tries) than even download that crap!!!
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@tbgbe Not quite, according to them,
"For some reason, an i386 version of a package was never published on Launchpad. Steam being an i386 package, when trying to install it, it had to downgrade that package to the Ubuntu version to resolve dependencies, which removed Pop!_OS packages.".
So someone screw it really hard there in the first place, then
aptfinished it off.And to think.. they advertise that distro for gaming... same mistake Garuda does.
@guigirl where's that hilarious video with that "man with a beard" -sry- tearing Garuda apart lol, it should be in this thread, no?
