Solved Offline Account -> mail client -> desktop Browser

jebah

What does a offline account in mail client do or mean ? Any documentation
Settings -> mail > identity -> Offline Account
Using Gmail account for mail
Desktop Version Vivaldi Browser

Trevo525

@jebah Alright, I just tried again. But, this time I tried something different and I believe I now can confirm your statement. The reason I didn't get the same results before is because I didn't restart my browser after making the changes to the Mail Account. Here was my testing methodology that I followed just now:

I opened Vivaldi Settings > Mail > Mail Account > my account and checked the "offline account" box.
I sent myself an email from my work account, it is on my companies domain, and hosted in exchange, not that it matters. The email was received in Vivaldi Mail.
Then, I restarted Vivaldi.
I opened Mail again so I could see if it updates in the next step.
I sent another email from my same work email. This time the email never went through. I even tried clicking the "Check for Mail" and "Check all Accounts" buttons. Neither would load the new email.
I then turned 'Offline Mode' back off. The email I had previously sent was still not automatically being received and the aforementioned buttons weren't receiving emails either.
Lastly, I restarted Vivaldi again. As soon as Vivaldi was started back up, emails were automatically loading again.

This means that you were correct about Offline Mode. When Offline Mode is turned on:

You can still send email.
Message changes (moving folders, deleting, etc.) in Vivaldi aren't reflected to the server.
Messages changes (Same as above but also receiving new mail) on the server aren't reflected in Vivaldi.

I believe that is all of the differences. Is there anything I missed?

Pesala

@jebah I imported my emails from Opera 12.18. I have many messages from a now defunct email address, which is marked as an offline account.

jebah

@pesala

Clarification : Once a mail account is marked as Offline Account
- sending mail from the offline account is allowed .
- Offline account do not recieive any mail after setup
Is my understanding correct ?

Trevo525

@jebah I found this thread last night whilst googling the answer myself. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any sort of documentation on this.

However, I think I figured it out. When I had Offline Account checked, if I deleted a message, It didn't sync with the mail server. I accessed my Gmail from gmail.com and deleted messages were still there. I turned off offline mode and it started synchronizing.

So, I could be wrong. But, I think 'offline mode' means your changes are only saved locally. That makes sense now, but hindsight is 20/20. ️

jebah

@trevo525

In addition to the above based on observation
After marking Offline account
- sending mail from the offline account Works !!
- Offline account do not recieive any incoming mail after setup
I did not know about Offline Account existed before , Now I cannot use any Broswer /Mail Client without it

Trevo525

@jebah said in Offline Account -> mail client -> desktop Browser:

After marking Offline account

Offline account do not recieive any incoming mail after setup

I either am not understanding you correctly or I am missing something. You should receive messages on an offline account. I just turned 'Offline Account' back on to test this. I then sent an email from another account and after a few seconds it fetched the new email. I didn't even hit "Check for Mail" or "Check All Accounts".

The only difference I am seeing is that changes to your emails in Vivaldi Mail are not sent up to the email server (Gmail In my case). But, Changes in the email server are still synchronizing into Vivaldi Mail for me. I may be missing something though.

jebah

@trevo525

Observation based on following trials
- Gmail Ac1 : Paid version
- Gmail Ac2 : Company Allocated
- Gmail Ac3 : Normal Gmail

Gmail Ac3 Marked Offline

Sent Mail from Gmail Ac3 to Gmail Ac3 using Vivaldi mail client
Opened Gmail Ac3 normal tab : Mail both Sent and received
Inbox vivaldi client nothing happens , -> Manual sync -> Page refresh - > Nothing Happens

Gmail Ac2 Marked Offline

Sent Mail from Gmail Ac2 to Gmail Ac3 using Vivaldi mail client
Opened Gmail normal tab : Mail both Sent and received (respective acounts )
Inbox vivaldi client nothing happens Gmail Ac3 , -> Manual sync -> Page refresh - > Nothing Happens

Other Similar combinations also tried and arrived at the conclusion
- Offline account do not recieive any incoming mail after setup

Trevo525

@jebah Alright, I just tried again. But, this time I tried something different and I believe I now can confirm your statement. The reason I didn't get the same results before is because I didn't restart my browser after making the changes to the Mail Account. Here was my testing methodology that I followed just now:

I opened Vivaldi Settings > Mail > Mail Account > my account and checked the "offline account" box.
I sent myself an email from my work account, it is on my companies domain, and hosted in exchange, not that it matters. The email was received in Vivaldi Mail.
Then, I restarted Vivaldi.
I opened Mail again so I could see if it updates in the next step.
I sent another email from my same work email. This time the email never went through. I even tried clicking the "Check for Mail" and "Check all Accounts" buttons. Neither would load the new email.
I then turned 'Offline Mode' back off. The email I had previously sent was still not automatically being received and the aforementioned buttons weren't receiving emails either.
Lastly, I restarted Vivaldi again. As soon as Vivaldi was started back up, emails were automatically loading again.

This means that you were correct about Offline Mode. When Offline Mode is turned on:

You can still send email.
Message changes (moving folders, deleting, etc.) in Vivaldi aren't reflected to the server.
Messages changes (Same as above but also receiving new mail) on the server aren't reflected in Vivaldi.

I believe that is all of the differences. Is there anything I missed?

jebah

Wish there was some documentation or someone from the team could give some pointers !!!!
IMO this post is now the documentation
I am in the testing phase of making vivaldi my default browser !! So Far So Good !!

fjc1029

My take is that with offline account the mails are saved on your machine, where without OA the mails are in your browser (email client) and the V. servers only .. not on your machine?

Ayespy

@fjc1029 An offline account is an account that only has access to locally-stored mails. It does not connect with the internet to try to fetch or send emails.

A normal account will usually have mail stored locally and have access to remotely-stored mail as well. It will send and receive email (or at least be able to).

fjc1029

@ayespy Thank you for your prompt response.
So by saying 'locally-stored mails' do you mean it is on the computer hard drive instead of on the mail servers?

Ayespy

@fjc1029 Yes, on the hard drive. There may be copies of them on the server as well, but the only ones accessed by an offline client will be those stored on your machine.

fjc1029

@ayespy Thank you so much for helping me understand this, I am grateful indeed!

So then I can turn this off and no mails will be on the hard drive, only in the client and on the servers.

Ayespy

@fjc1029 That is incorrect.

Vivaldi's email client stores emails locally if you ever fetch emails. If it didn't it would only be a web portal, not a mail client. It does have the option to disconnect it from the web and deal only with mail you have already downloaded or imported, but if you are sending and receiving emails, it is storing them on your hard drive. If you disconnect it from the web, it is still storing anything you received or sent prior to the time you did that.

If you don't want emails on your machine, don't use an email client. Just use a webmail account and interact with your emails remotely through a browser window.

fjc1029

@ayespy thanks. I don't want mails filling my hard drive, but with V webmail to use aliases you have to use Mail client. I posted in the aliases thread to confirm this. So then I just need to keep my inbox clean as possible to acheive both .....

gmg

@jebah @Trevo525 @fjc1029 @Pesala @Ayespy

Just to reiterate. The following observations from @jebah and @Trevo525 are correct. I should add this to the help pages.

@trevo525 said in Offline Account -> mail client -> desktop Browser:

You can still send email.

Message changes (moving folders, deleting, etc.) in Vivaldi aren't reflected to the server.

Messages changes (Same as above but also receiving new mail) on the server aren't reflected in Vivaldi.

Ayespy

@gmg Thanks for that clarity. I had never tried to send email with an offline account, and so didn't know that was an option.

crabladyanne

I know this has been touched on, but I'm not sure what steps I need to take. So I apologize upfront for asking anything already answered.

My gmail account is warning me I'm reaching my max storage (unless I want to pay). I looked into Vivaldi and liked what I saw regarding privacy and customization and saw it also offered offline email. So I thought this was the perfect solution. After my emails are in Vivaldi, I can delete them from gmail, resolving my gmail storage problem.

I downloaded Vivaldi and set up the email with the gmail IMAP settings. All of my emails are now available in Vivaldi. (It actually has about 176K messages, gmail's warning shows about 40K. Maybe that is my active inbox and the rest have been archived? Not sure but it probably doesn't matter.)

I then deleted some emails in gmail and checked Vivaldi to make sure those emails were still there. But they weren't.

I'm not sure if my email is offline or not. I access Vivaldi from the desktop icon created when I downloaded the app. It looks the same as an online browser to me, but I don't know if the offline emails would look any different or not. I am receiving my emails in both gmail and Vivaldi now. I didn't see any obvious files on my hard drive for any downloaded emails, but my computer is working much slower.

Questions-

How do I check if my emails have been downloaded offline?
If I delete the messages from gmail, is it going to sync and delete the messages from Vivaldi, defeating the purpose?
Will I still be able to receive all incoming mail from gmail in Vivaldi offline if syncing is turned off?
What settings do I need to change, or what steps do I need to take to be able to use Vivaldi as my main email client (with forwards if necessary from gmail so I don't have to change my email address) and not have deletes in gmail deleted from Vivaldi?

Thank you for any assistance. I'm sorry I just can't figure this out on my own. I wasn't always this stupid :).
Thanks.

Ayespy

@crabladyanne If you are connected via IMAP, actions done at the server will be reflected locally.

I literally can't remember what taking an account offline is supposed to do. I THINK all it does is cause the account to stop checking for new mail. You can still send mail, and I think changes at the server may still be reflected locally

If you set up the account as POP3, actions at the server will not be reflected locally. Any email you have downloaded will be retained until you delete it. You should be able to set POP3 to delete downloaded emails from the server or not. GMail has instructions on line how to enable POP3 at the server for your account.