Option to Clear Everything on Exit
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@Pesala I am aware of the button and the options there are to clear the list. I do not agree with your expectations nor desires of what would be included. That said, I'll separate my frustrations to make clearer that this should be seen as a request for more options, not a fixed change in how the current options behave.
Firefox and forks have a whole dialog, nearly identical to their own Clear All History dialog in terms of options of what I and others are asking for. (Incidentally, they also group browsing and download history together. This could be separated in a hypothetical addition to the options.)
As for my Download folder, I rarely save directly to it and regardless and my downloads don't include where they come from (allegedly Chrome based browsers store HostUrl and RefferralURL parameters in the Zone.Identifier but I haven't found them yet). The Panel, conversely, provides easy access to Local Path and Download Address.
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@Pesala said in Option to Clear Everything on Exit:
there is an option to warn them in Settings, General, Close and Exit, so there is a good case to be made for clearing closed tabs at the end of a session.
Unfortunately, that option doesn't always warn on exit. If you choose exit from the menu, it will just exit without the dialog popping up. Also unfortunately, this seems to be the intended behavior. Which I don't like because it's possible to accidentally exit the app through the menu, just like closing the window accidentally.
I've also discovered another issue where those two options can get reset to disabled even after the user has enabled them. Though I expect this one will get fixed. I'll be reporting the bug once I've better narrowed down the use cases which cause the problem.
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@Pesala said in Option to Clear Everything on Exit:
It has little to do with browsing history, and I would not expect or want downloads to be included when clearing the browsing history.
I agree with that. Even Firefox acknowledges that browsing history and download history are separate things, even if they fail to provide the granularity to configure them individually.
I would expect that clearing the download history effects the history only, and not the files that were downloaded. But, as they are separate things, options to clear them automatically should be separate as well. A combined option is just poor design. I suspect that Fx was clearing both histories and users didn't expect that. Rather than implement it correctly, they just changed the option label to warn users that download history would also get cleared.
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Having separate options is fine, they're already separate in the on-command dialog, which is what I think the options for on-close should be modeled off of. But is it really so inconceivable that there would be a lot of people who would lump two things together that both involve recorded history, to at least some degree, of where you've browsed?
Of course Firefox considers them separate, it would be weird if there weren't separated at all. You can delete just about everything separately in Firefox through various means, including just the downloads from the download window, cookies from the cookie manager, etc. It's just the quick menu that happened to combine two (arguably) related things.
The bigger point here is that some people, myself included, are coming from a place where the expectation of closing is to go full ghost on that session. That expectation is not fully fulfilled. That it is mostly fulfilled makes it seem that the Download history not being erased is either an oversight or a fundamental divide on expectation. I'm not convinced that it's not the former but the all of the functionality is there to satisfy both parties of the latter.
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I also just noticed that clearing just Browser History in the Delete Browsing Data dialog is sufficient for clearing out the trash can, furthering ambiguity between terms and expectations depending on context.
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@SeriouslyDev said in Option to Clear Everything on Exit:
But is it really so inconceivable that there would be a lot of people who would lump two things together that both involve recorded history, to at least some degree, of where you've browsed?
No. That doesn't make it good design though.
@SeriouslyDev said in Option to Clear Everything on Exit:
Of course Firefox considers them separate, it would be weird if there weren't separated at all. You can delete just about everything separately in Firefox through various means, including just the downloads from the download window, cookies from the cookie manager, etc.
You can do all that in Vivaldi as well.
@SeriouslyDev said in Option to Clear Everything on Exit:
I also just noticed that clearing just Browser History in the Delete Browsing Data dialog is sufficient for clearing out the trash can, furthering ambiguity between terms and expectations depending on context.
But, that's part of your browsing history, not downloads. You've conflated two different issues there.
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@BoneTone said in Option to Clear Everything on Exit:
No. That doesn't make it good design though.
I'm not advocating Vivaldi group them together, I'm providing an example of two related things being grouped together in a way that many people have never had a problem with in Firefox outside of your thin air conjectures.
You can do all that in Vivaldi as well.
But you can't make Vivaldi automatically do all of it on exit, which is the point of this topic's request. My statement was in response to your off topic points, which I should clearly be ignoring.
But, that's part of your browsing history, not downloads. You've conflated two different issues there.
No. I'm not the one conflating anything. I am pointing out an example where Vivaldi is conflating things by having "Browsing History" include different things depending on what part of the browser is using the phrase.
If the Delete Browser Data panel can delete something, it should be doable by closing.
This is no-brainer request that has had long precedent in more established browsers, in which all of the mechanics are already present and can be configured to work to EVERYONE's personal expectations with 9 check boxes in the settings menu. I will not argue on the merits of this any further.
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@SeriouslyDev said in Option to Clear Everything on Exit:
which I should clearly be ignoring
Then please do so. You seem to think I'm arguing against the request, when clearly I'm not. For some reason this became personal to you and you've resorted to attacking me rather than discussing the technology. I have no interest in that.
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Interesting, we first got this option in Vivaldi for android but we still don't have it in the desktop version
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I'd like to have an option to delete all third-party cookies while closing the Vivaldi.
So far it can only be done to all cookies.
I think it would be very useful.
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As per @Stardust, please provide the Android option on the desktop version. Provides quick workaround for having to select bunches of cookie options to my preference if Vivaldi can just zap everything on exit, including cookies with unique IDs for tracking. Having to do so manually is bothersome and subject to me forgetting! Would take me one step further to getting off Firefox...
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@caligos it's there but for some reason Vivaldi hides it when you access the settings from their customed menu.
Solution
From the address bar type: vivaldi://settings/cookies
Then you will see a setting to delete cookies on exit.
I wonder if this is hidden because it create issue with their other functionalities.
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@pmesolution
Hi, you need chrome://settings/cookies to reach the chromium settings.
It is annoying for most users, me too, it change to vivaldi:// automatically.Cheers, mib
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Sorry to necro
Before I research extensions is there a way to delete everything on quit for superior privacy in 2022?
Aside, it did cross my mind to browse in private windows but I suspect half the time I will forget and end up browsing in a normal window instead
Hope to hear back
Cheers
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From Tools menu > Delete Browsing Data, one can clear browsing history, downloads, cookies, storage, cache, passwords (why?), form autofill data, application cache, and site settings (clears all your exceptions for rules).
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Hi @Streptococcus,
Thanks for reply - I presume you were replying to me..?
I'm aware of the "Delete browsing data" feature but it isn't a solution to my question:
[...] is there a way to delete everything on quit [...]
Anyone else?
Hope to hear back
Cheers
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@ldexterldesign I use cookie autodelete which deletes all cookies on exit but allows whitelisting sites / subsites. It also has a grey list and deleting many other things besides just cookies.
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@steveshank good one!
@admins personally, I'd like to see this (sort of) functionality in Vivaldi; perhaps as part of enhancing the cookie management, which seems to be a very hot topic judging by just the past month forum activity
I assume (external) extension functionality does find its way into Vivaldi (internal) on occasion..?:
- If true then what's the typical trajectory for making this happen (e.g. a simple feature request, referencing an extension)
- If false then what's the reasoning (e.g. if an extension already exists then it's reinventing the wheel)
Hope to hear back
Cheers
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