Browsers made in the EU

Catweazle

@stardepp , yes, and discontinued since last year, no updates since them, it means a dying project.
Otter is nice, but very inmature and WebKit engine? ...not very future friendly. Include in the Otter Forum are posts from users which want to switch to Vivaldi, as a browser which is what Otter prentend to be one day (what I doubt with this engine)
Ur Browser, very nice and a good browser from a French company, but is Closed Source and proprietary (Chromium based), without support Forum. Own VPN (paid)

stardepp

There is simply no better browser than Vivaldi, whether in Europe or the rest of the world, and that's a good thing.

dbouley

@catweazle How about SeaMonkey?

Eggcorn

@catweazle said in Browsers made in the EU:

[F]irst of all, it is due to the privacy regulations of the EU

Ah.

Also because I think that the EU has to become independent from the big American multinationals

I have the same question there: Why the EU specifically, and not Europe in general?

Catweazle

@dbouley , yes, it's a german non-profit org.

@Eggcorn , can also be a project from other country of Europe, but i prefer the UE for three reasons
I live there
The privacy law
and I think that the Internet depends too much on US monopolies with tendence to abuse their position, extending their control over the user include in OpenSource projects with tracking APIs (GitHub is Microsoft, Chromium AND Mozilla is Google).

dbouley

@catweazle There's also PaleMoon, but I can't determine where they're based. Although, they distribute from servers in the US, so I guess that's a good indication.

Catweazle

@dbouley , yes, it's from Moonchild Production , founded in Netherland. The site is clean, apart from 1 cookie from PayPal, due the donation button, I think. Not like Mozilla.org with a tracker from Alphabet Inc (Google)

dbouley

@catweazle Well, there you go... there's at least a few alternative EU-based web browsers to choose from out there.

Eggcorn

@catweazle No, I get the part about EU privacy laws. What I don't get is this part:

I think that the EU has to become independent from the big American multinationals

Doesn't that go for Europe as a whole, not just the EU?

Catweazle

@eggcorn , not necessarym GB, f.Exmpl now is outside of the CE and very US friendly. The interests are different

Eggcorn

@catweazle Frankly, I'm American, and I think America should be less dependent on American big tech companies! It's a problem here, for the same reason it's a problem in the EU:

American big tech companies are too powerful, too untrustworthy, and too willing to hand our private data to the American government.

Eggcorn

@catweazle said in Browsers made in the EU:

first of all, it is due to the privacy regulations of the EU, not necessarily the same in geographic Europe, although I imagine it is still better than the regulations in this regard in the US or China (Opera)

I think I saw a statement about that from Opera, a while back. I can't find the statement (if anyone finds it, post the link as a reply to this post). But if I remember correctly: They said that, as a Norwegian company, they were still subject to Norwegian privacy law and all (regardless of if they had a Chinese parent company).

But anyway, Opera probably does technically qualify as a browser made in the EU.

Eggcorn

@catweazle

Avast Secure Browser is made by a Czech company.
SRWare Iron is made by a German company.
Yandex is not EU, but it is European (Russian specifically).
And last but not least, there's Vivaldi. Vivaldi's Norwegian I think.

stilgarwolf

Falkon

Catweazle

@eggcorn , as much as they say, Opera is currently not a Norwegian company at all, much less respects privacy regulations, the VPN that it includes, apart from being only a proxy in Opera's own servers, logs user activity, Opera itself It is full of third-party trackers, on Android no less than 9.
Opera is perhaps the browser that least respects everyone's privacy out there.
It's tecnically a good browser, but in privacy a cheap chinese knockoff.
Respect of the need of US users, I agree with you, in generalthe internet need to be for the people and not the business of big monopolies where the user is only one more merchandise.
For this it's necesary to eliminate this companies as far as possible from the soft and services which we use.

@stilgarwolf , yes, Falkon is a nice browser with a good name behind, KDE, but without updates since 2 years, which sadly indicates an abandoned project.
There are also Konqueror browser from KDE, but only for Linux and AngelFish browser for Mobile.
I think that KDE has excellent products, but a lot of them, which may cause a lack of atention to some of them.

Eggcorn

@catweazle
Here's a list of the browsers we've found (I'm excluding the ones that are no longer updated):

Vivaldi - Norwegian-Icelandic (I think), needs no introduction
Yandex Browser - Not EU, but Russian.
UR Browser - French. Has a built-in adblocker that's a lot like Brave's.
SeaMonkey (nee Mozilla, Netscape) - Netscape's still around. But apparently, it's German now.
T-Online - German
Avast Secure Browser -Czech
SRWare Iron - German

Edit: I forgot one:

Otter - Polish. Like Vivaldi, an attempt to recreate the old Opera. But not as sable as Vivaldi, unfortunately.

Catweazle

@eggcorn , I know and I test all of them, less Yandex, they are not better than Chrome. The rest of the list, apart from Vivaldi and UR, bad, outdated (like Falkon, without updates since summer 2020 and WebKit motor, not very typical a botch like this for KDE) or very basic.
This is what I mean, there is a lot of work until Europe is independent from US products, which dominate the market and abuse it's position.
About Yandex, which among others has its Image Search, included in the metasearch extension 'Search by Image' (FOSS), if it can say that it is excellent, it shows more and more relevant results than any other (Google, Tin Eye, Bing, Yahoo).

dbouley

@catweazle said in Browsers made in the EU:

@eggcorn , I know and I test all of them, less Yandex, they are not better than Chrome. The rest of the list, apart from Vivaldi and UR, bad, outdated (like Falkon, without updates since summer 2020 and WebKit motor, not very typical a botch like this for KDE) or very basic.

Just my opinion, but I think SeaMonkey is pretty darn good. It generally performs better than Vivaldi on my older PCs and netbooks.

Eggcorn

@catweazle I think Vivaldi and Yandex are better then Chrome. UR too, if it's good enough about keeping up with security updates. And speaking of Yandex:

[T]here is a lot of work until Europe is independent from US products, which dominate the market and abuse it's position.

Yandex isn't just a browser, it's a large European company that offers most of the same services as Google.

Catweazle

@eggcorn , yes, but also the same "privacy" as Chrome. Ok, using it as a reserve in specific uses, it is not that important either.