Please integrate Xayn search

forumuser1

Xayn.com is a privacy focused search engine where the AI and algorithms run locally on your phone / computer (as opposed to in the cloud).

Please integrate Xayn into Vivaldi, or establish some kind of partnership. it is a perfect match!

iAN CooG

there isn't a link to this search? you have to install it from google play so I assume it's only for mobile devices? pretty strange and I'd rather stay away from it.

forumuser1

There is an extension coming for Chrome on Desktop.

It "being strange" is hardly an argument for disregarding it. The upside is complete privacy and it works extremely well.

iAN CooG

@forumuser1

There is an extension coming for Chrome on Desktop.

So It can't be even tested right now, and in any case one should install something to use a search engine, instead of a simple web page and an url to be used as search url in Vivaldi. How about this as argument? There are plenty of existing alternatives that don't require anything installed.

it works extremely well

until it can be proven, this seems just some bad self promotion, have you created this account just to spam this thing, right?

forumuser1

I am talking about looking into Xayn for a possible future partnership. Like in two years, not in 2 weeks. That's all.

All the alternatives that are webpages and cloudbased are most likely not respecting privacy one way or the other. That is the difference.

Maybe you're right and they (Vivaldi) should not go down that route, but they'd have to look into it to make that decision (it could also represent an opportunity to offer something different than the rest).

Catweazle

Xayn also in GitHub
https://github.com/xaynetwork/xaynet

Good thing, but lacks a desktop version. Maybe one of the descentralized alternatives, like SearX or better Whoogle (The first I see with the possibility to customizize with CSS)*, or maybe YaCy, all of them FOSS and selfhosted, but with public instances (YaCy only in the own PC), if you don't have a own server.

(Whoogle Instance https://whooglesearch.net)
*Setting page
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Whoogle have Google search results, but without any ads, javascript, AMP links, cookies, or IP address tracking

iAN CooG

@Catweazle said in Please integrate Xayn search:

(Whoogle Instance https://whoogle.himiko.cloud)

I don't know, I tried searching "hatsune miku" and this is the result

About this page

Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to see if it's really you sending the requests, and not a robot. Why did this happen?

IP address: 2a01:4f9:4b:1b30::2
Time: 2021-03-31T17:29:06Z
URL: https://www.google.com/search?gbv=1&q=hatsune%20miku&safe=off
Whoogle Search v0.3.1 || View on GitHub

It not only doesn't "find" anything, but it pratically tried to redirect the search to google? REALLY BIG DEAL!!!!
Are these things just some early april fools jokes?

Catweazle

@iAN-CooG , yes, because of this he changed the Url of the public instance, the other I put first, obviosly is not public, or of someone who has his server offline.. Not a April joke, Woogle is a "front-end" of Google, as say, it is like searching in Google, but without Google knowing it. Similar to Startpage, also uses the Google motor, but better because Self Hosted and OpenSource, You can download Whooble from Github and use your own instance, if you have a server or a old PC which you can dedicate as server..

iAN CooG

@Catweazle said in Please integrate Xayn search:

You can download Whooble from Github and use your own instance, if you have a server or a old PC which you can dedicate as server..

ok, I read all that as "useless", sorry but I have no time and resources for some geek experiment, normal people need working and ready to use solutions.

Catweazle

@iAN-CooG , the public instance https://whooglesearch.net/ works really good and very fast, easy to add to your search engines with right click.

forumuser1

If you integrate Xayns logic (search alghorithms and AI) into the browser itself you would not need an extension.

After the responses so far in here I feel like I have made a huge mistake in thinking this would be an interesting idea or approach to anyone.

You can close the thread and move along, I won't be making any more posts.

Catweazle

@forumuser1 , it is not such a bad idea, but since it is extremely easy to add any search engine with a simple right-click to the list in Vivaldi, apart from many alternatives to Xayn, it is not such a great need.
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Catweazle

@Gwen-Dragon , it is FOSS and federated https://github.com/xaynetwork/xaynet
But even so, I don't know if it is really necessary to integrate a search engine in Vivaldi, given the large number of excellent alternatives that the user himself can add and that do exactly the same service.

code3

@forumuser1 This could actually be a great idea, but would require more interest from the Vivaldi Community.

@iAN-CooG said in Please integrate Xayn search:

there isn't a link to this search? you have to install it from google play so I assume it's only for mobile devices? pretty strange and I'd rather stay away from it.

I get what you are saying but downloading an app allows them to run the search on your phone and minimize the amount of data sent to servers. Also, they got into the apple store, which is pretty well vetted. And it is open source.

code3

@Catweazle I think the point is that this federation requires special software, and it would be nice if that software was in Vivaldi as an option. It cannot be added as a normal search engine (or maybe it can under localhost? I will look more later)

Komposten

What is the point of Xayn? They're obviously not running the entire search index off of the user's devices, since that would probably require all mobile phones in the world to have enough storage space. So is it only personalisation algorithms that run locally and all searches are then routed through another search engine?

If that is the case, I wouldn't say it feels much more secure and trustworthy than a search engine like Startpage or Ecosia. Those also route searches through other search engines (Google and Bing, respectively), without requirements of installing any applications/extensions and without personalisation, so you don't have to worry about user profiling and data collection with those either.

Catweazle

@Komposten , I think the same, there are plenty of private search engines, even these self-hosted ones, like Searx, which also use multiple search engines, or also the Whoogle that I mentioned before that uses the Google engine and where you can use a public instance or download it for Host it on your own server.
What makes sense is to make Vivaldi compatible for the ipfs network, like Brave.
Ok, you can install it as a desktop app
https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs-desktop

code3

@Komposten It does look like they are a bing search engine. However, they are certainly getting closer to a truly private search compared to other bing search engines like ecosia and ddg. And, having personalization run locally is a good step towards having part of the search run locally The goal would be to expand this towards having search run in a federated manner. If this succeeds, it could be an interesting partnership for Vivaldi.