Images are saved as .webp instead of original format (JPG, JPEG, PNG, etc.)

expuix

blog. media. io/ image-converter/webp-to-gif

im not sure about the command line by rw - designer but the software installation suggestion by one of the articles you linked might actually be it, checking it right now. thanks!

Catweazle

@expuix , ????, I don't know, but I have already uploaded and edited several webp animations with Lunapic, converted mp4 into gif (up to 100 frames) and edited countless gifs (crop, resize, text (more than 1000 fonts), change colors,etc).
It is the editor (and extensión) I most use.

Kepke

Yo,

Once again i'm troubled with something that is probably on click away from a fix or i'm now officially entering the "grandpa needs help with his phone" phase. I've noticed that recently, when i drag&drop an image, it's usually a .webp. I only used to have that with pics on reddit and had to do the ol' RMB>Save. But now i'm noticing more and more instances of that happening and sometimes even RMB>Save will save it as .webp if i don't add a .jpg/ect manually to the filename.

I have tried disabling "YUV Decoding for WebP", resetting my profile and went to the lengths of restarting my PC. I've tested this with the same pictures on Chrome, Brave and Firefox. Including Vivaldi, all failed me.

Pls, help me get back my drag and drop!

modedit Moved from Support & Troubleshooting > Vivaldi for Windows

iAN CooG

@Kepke said in Images save as .webp and i'd like it to stop (not a vivaldi exclusive issue):

will save it as .webp if i don't add a .jpg/ect manually to the filename.

That will not convert the file to jpg format, you're only saving a webp with a wrong extension
You need some image conversion tool like IrfanView to properly convert image formats.

The "problem" is that some site sees that you're using a Chrome-compatible browser capable of handling webp images, so they serve you a webp instead of a jpg image type to save some bandwidth.

I have no idea if it's even possible to force the browser to download a jpg, other than trying to use a User Agent spoofing extension to make that site you're trying to save jpgs from, to think you're using another browser not capable of webp handling, like old IE.

greybeard

@Kepke said in Images save as .webp and i'd like it to stop (not a vivaldi exclusive issue):

I've noticed that recently, when i drag&drop an image

Yeah, me too. Can't do much about it seems.
I specifically Cancel the operation to use them until I lean more about the format specifications. Then perhaps we can decide that this .webp file is safe... or that this format is not.
Gotta do more reading.

...it is a block-based transformation scheme with eight bits of color depth... From Wikipedia

Aparently invented by the team at Grumble, it seems a pretty (add expletive here) poor image model. To be used faster download time due to the limited size of the file. They can large images but at only eight bit colour, you will lose something in translation. Also officially:

WebP is not included in the Google Merchant Feed specification for images

More reading to go and more experts to consult.

[EDIT] I consulted a developer friend. He says it is a relatively poor quality image format create by the above to help speed up page downloads. He also has some theories about the metadata held in the image.
Now that I see it in this post I vaguely remember Opera < 13 supporting it(?).
Still endeavouring to find out more.

WEbm is the video version.

{moreEDITing] Even the W3C had trouble with this draft in 2019, apparently almost 20 years after it was introduced.

[yetAnotherEDIT] The best go-around for this may be to use Vivaldi's "Image Properties" feature from the Rt-Click Menu.
Just hover over the image, Rt-Click, select Image Properties and the image and it properties will be displayed with the correct file extension.
Sorry I didn't think of this sooner.

Pesala

@Kepke I no longer see the issue so perhaps a Windows update fixed it? I am using Win 10 64-bit 19041.746

To see your Windows version Press the Windows key, Settings, About.

Kepke

@Gwen-Dragon I checked and it is still .jpg.

@greybeard said in Images save as .webp and i'd like it to stop (not a vivaldi exclusive issue):

Aparently invented by the team at Grumble

So... Grumble is my enemy!

@Pesala said in Images save as .webp and i'd like it to stop (not a vivaldi exclusive issue):

@Kepke I no longer see the issue so perhaps a Windows update fixed it? I am using Win 10 64-bit 19041.746

To see your Windows version Press the Windows key, Settings, About.

Hm, i haven't updated in a while, so the "change" happend on the same build i'm using right now. I'll try a win update after finishing some work.

Edit:
I have Updated Windows. Still cursed by .webp.

sgunhouse

WebP is a different format from JPEG. When Opera still had Turbo (a compressing proxy they offered to save bandwidth on slow or metered connections) one thing it did was convert all JPEG images to WebP as it tends to offer better compression. So ... are you using some sort of compressing proxy?

Kepke

Nothing like that. I use the newest Vivaldi Verison with Privacy Badger, uBlock, DoNotTrack, some YT and Twitch Extensions, AdGuard Desktop and NordVPN. I've already tried dissabling everything and doing a fresh profile. No dif.

I got a temporary solution now. Just gonna drag and drop pics in to my JDownloader2 and when i feel like it, just DL all at once.

sgunhouse

Of course if you're using Google image search the previews will all be WebP. If you click to see the original image it'll be whatever format it was. And check if the ones you renamed are really now JPEG or still really WebP.

greybeard

@iAN-CooG Quite Right but there is another problem...
No matter what you convert it to you cannot make a better image. If your source is a Webp image, it is at best poor quality. As the say:

"You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear."

So if you need or want to provide High Quality images stick with the jp*g or png formats.
Gather the filenames of the Webp files and re-source the original to replace the downlad/upload.

iAN CooG

@greybeard said in Windows: Images save as .webp and i'd like it to stop (not a vivaldi exclusive issue):

High Quality images stick with the jp*g

If we want to split the hair in 4, High Quality and JPG clash by definition as it's still a lossy compression
There are many cases where converting a badly compressed jpg to webp made it smoother by slightly removing JPG artefacts.
Sure, once any losslessly compressed image gets converted to any lossy compressed format, there is no turning back to "high quality" but only worsening it even more.
I was only pointing out that changing extension to a webp, it's still a webp, but now with wrong extension. You have to convert to jpg to have an actual jpg.

Pesala

WebP is a useful format for displaying large photos on the web. I use them on my website, but offer a low resolution JPG image as the default. Users can click to view the high resolution WebP version.

Original 4,500 x 9,105 pixel PNG = 53.1 Mbytes
JPG version (50% quality/compression) = 1.96 Mbytes
WebP version (50% quality = 1.3 Mbytes)

JPG Detail (Lossless Screenshot)

WebP Detail (Lossless Screenshot)

Kepke

Just as a reminder, i don't care if the file is .jpg, .png or .jpeg. All i want is to have the image i saw and draged in to a folder/desktop, whatever quality it was.

@Gwen-Dragon said in Windows: Images save as .webp and i'd like it to stop (not a vivaldi exclusive issue):

@Kepke said in Images save as .webp and i'd like it to stop (not a vivaldi exclusive issue):

But now i'm noticing more and more instances of that happening and sometimes even RMB>Save will save it as .webp if i don't add a .jpg/ect manually to the filename.

Something on your Windows installation is broken.
Only for a test: what happens if you create a new Windows user, log in and save a image in Vivaldi, Brave or Firefox?

I just tested it. It happens with the exact same pictures again. Oddly enough, the page sthat troubled me before now have "normal" formats again. Possible that they use webp during high traffic times?

Pesala

@Kepke I doubt if any website would serve different images depending on the site traffic. If you save the image and it has a *.webp format, chances are that it is an WebP image. Open it in IrfanView. If the extension is incorrect, it will tell you and offer to fix it.

A link to the page might help us to confirm the true format of the images.

Kepke

@Pesala said in Windows: Images save as .webp and i'd like it to stop (not a vivaldi exclusive issue):

@Kepke I doubt if any website would serve different images depending on the site traffic. If you save the image and it has a *.webp format, chances are that it is an WebP image. Open it in IrfanView. If the extension is incorrect, it will tell you and offer to fix it.

A link to the page might help us to confirm the true format of the images.

With this picture/thread on reddit i have this .webp thing consistently. Thread and Picture

As for using IrfanView, i'd like to avoid extra work if i can help it.

Pesala

@Kepke I suggested IrfanView to diagnose the image type.

The image is a JPG image, and downloads with a *.jpg extension.

Kepke

@Gwen-Dragon
That was already suggested once and i've done it. I've now checked once more and it still shows .jpg as value. I have linked a picture that always saves as .webp further up there, can you try drag&dropping it on your desktop and see what happens?

@Pesala said in Windows: Images save as .webp and i'd like it to stop (not a vivaldi exclusive issue):

@Kepke I suggested IrfanView to diagnose the image type.

The image is a JPG image, and downloads with a *.jpg extension.

That's way to much work to get a picture...

Pesala

@Kepke said in Windows: Images save as .webp and i'd like it to stop (not a vivaldi exclusive issue):

That's way too much work to get a picture...

What I am trying to do is diagnose why you are not getting the expected results. I am not suggesting that you should use IrfanView to fix the file type. As I said, the file is a JPG already. There should be nothing to do but download it.

Something on your Windows installation is broken.

Kepke

@Pesala said in Windows: Images save as .webp and i'd like it to stop (not a vivaldi exclusive issue):

@Kepke said in Windows: Images save as .webp and i'd like it to stop (not a vivaldi exclusive issue):

That's way too much work to get a picture...

What I am trying to do is diagnose why you are not getting the expected results. I am not suggesting that you should use IrfanView to fix the file type. As I said, the file is a JPG already. There should be nothing to do but download it.

Something on your Windows installation is broken.

Ah ok, i apologize. I did not understand your intention. I installed IrfanView and got the "needed" webp.dll plugin it asked for.

It did not give me a error after the first time asking for the plugin.

Properties

For whatever reason, the format changes during drag and drop. I don't know if i mentioned it, but in the explorer the file isn't a ".webp" but a "Vivaldi HTML Document".