Browser crashed with many tabs, after a long time open
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Did I perhaps do a bit of a blunder by keeping more than 100 tabs open for weeks until my browser cache-crashed and I lost all but five of them? xD
Btw what's the max recommended amount of tabs? (I definetely have a problem.)
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@Gamarleton Some people maintain a couple of hundred routinely. While I tend to always stay under 30, and find a couple of hundred insane, there is no structural reason why 100 tabs should be a problem. During a crash, however, sometimes tabs are not saved. Therefore, if you have 100 that you plan to rely on for the next several weeks or days, it is wise to save them periodically as a session. That way, if live tabs somehow get lost, you have the session to fall back on.
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Yes, I forget to do this. It's part of the getting distracted enough to have 100 tabs open brain. xD But that much is true.
Thanks for your response!
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There are no stupid questions, only stupid people that ask questions.
I often have well over a hundred, or a few hundred tabs open. To protect against losing your session in the future, I recommend installing the AutoSave Sessions Mod. It automatically saves your session every X minutes and keeps the Y most recent autosaved sessions -- two independent variables. I set mine for 20 minutes and 10 sessions, which means I have a saved session no more than 19 minutes old, and snapshots of my session going back at least 3 hours.
I also recommend the Advanced Panels Mod with Sessions Panel, it is a great way to manage, save & access your sessions. It makes it so you can create your own advanced panels, but comes with a Sessions Panel as an example, which is extremely useful in my opinion.
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Turns out the crash had bugged the browser out opening two windows, one with the old tabs and one with a few ones that I opened recently and were not hibernated like most others. My tabs are all back!
Thanks for your responses. Does the mods help with the difficulty of finding said session files when moving it to backups?
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@Gamarleton said in Uhm, stupid question;:
Does the mods help with the difficulty of finding said session files when moving it to backups?
What do you mean moving it to backups?
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100 open Tabs? And for what reason? You find all opened Tabs in the browser history (panel).
I keep it clean. If i want to keep a Tab in Mind, ok. But not every single Site i opened sometime.
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@Ice007 said in Browser crashed with many tabs, after a long time open:
Btw. 100 open tabs causes a lot of unnecessary RAM.
My workstation is not a resource limited machine. The RAM consumption isn't an issue. You want your RAM to be in use BTW. Empty RAM is wasted money. If you constantly have more than half your unused, you bought too much and your usage patterns don't require it. Not that Vivaldi comes anywhere close to consuming that much RAM, even with hundreds of tabs open, but i didn't buy my RAM for browsing the internet.
You may only need a few tabs at a time. That's great, for you. Other people work differently. The great thing about Vivaldi is that it enables diverse workflows, adapting to the user so they can be more productive. I make use of named tab stacks, I keep it organized. What's that saying about a messy desk vs an empty desk?
I post from my phone frequently, which likes to change "the" to "three". If you see three or similar, I probably meant "the". I use swipe, so typos can be totally unrelated words to what I intended. Knowing this should help you read through my typos.
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Vivaldi did a survey on tab usage:
About 17% of users open 50 or more tabs. I have no idea how anyone can use that many at once. I have two windows on two monitors. Typically with fewer than three tabs in each.
I am not telling anyone what they should do; just saying that if you have no more than 10 tabs you will have no problems at all related to opening too many tabs, even if you have limited RAM and/or run multiple applications at once. Memory footprint for my Vivaldi is about 120 Mbytes with three tabs in two windows.
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@Gwen-Dragon said in Browser crashed with many tabs, after a long time open:
@Gamarleton With so many tabs open, over weeks, your PC may run into a situation where it does no have enough RAM and the OS kills the application, thus results sometimes in dataloss.
I have never seen this happen, and I have run the browser for weeks without closing it, with hundreds of tabs open, on a system with no virtual RAM. If the user is running with a gig or two of RAM, without virtual memory, then I could see this occurring if another process was demanding priority. At 4-8 gigs, I can't see this ever happening, especially with a properly managed virtual memory.
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@BoneTone "adapting to the user so they can be more productive." (...)
Funny answer! His 100 Tabs caused a Browser Crash, incuding data loss. Very "productive"...
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@Pesala said in Browser crashed with many tabs, after a long time open:
I have no idea how anyone can use that many at once
Except that you bring it up every single time this subject comes up. I need to look at the Vivaldi survey, but before they did that the thread you would reference every time was a useless survey. None of the numbers meet any statistical significance. They are so small that you can even say with confidence which groups are relatively larger than the others, with the exception of the one largest group. I did a statistical analysis of it months ago but let the thread die instead of posting it.
Seriously, every time this subject comes, everyone jumps in telling the user that they can't comprehend why anyone would have a lot of tabs open, scare them with all the risks involved, Yada Yada yada. If you don't work that way, great. If someone does, great. Vivaldi has no problems handling that many tabs, neither does my crappy 7 year old slim laptop that wasn't even top of the line when it was new.
I post from my phone frequently, which likes to change "the" to "three". If you see three or similar, I probably meant "the". I use swipe, so typos can be totally unrelated words to what I intended. Knowing this should help you read through my typos.
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@BoneTone said in Browser crashed with many tabs, after a long time open:
Vivaldi has no problems handling that many tabs
I disagree. Vivaldi has major problems handling that many tabs, even with 8 Gybtes of RAM to spare. Simply finding the desired tab among so many causes productivity issues.
If users stack more than 20 or so tabs (depending on their monitor resolution) it causes accessibility issues.
If users lose ten or twenty tabs, they can often be recovered easily. If they lose hundreds, some of which have been open for weeks, it may be much harder to recover them.
My original straw poll made three years ago was started precisely because I saw numerous reports of issues for users with many open tabs.
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@BoneTone Heehee.
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The reason I have 100+ tabs open is because I have ADD.
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A very good way to not open some many tabs is to use a link preview:
iFrame - Link Viewer a extension in Opera Store:
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/iframe/
You can download the zip in https://github.com/mataherry/iFrame/ unzip and drag the folder to the extensions page with Developer mode on.
You can view a page in a frame without open a tab like in a search results or any link, and is faster that open the tab.
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@Gwen-Dragon Yes it is true, but works 95% of the time.
In the very few pages that not works I use "Dialog Tab Mod":
Like in Github:
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