Ctrl + F bug?

shaw

Before version 3 update, and still in version 3 update, I cannot seem to get Ctrl + F to work. If I highlight text in some pages, or even just click in the page and then Ctrl + F the search bar will appear. But in most pages, nothing seems to make the search bar appear.

Is this a bug, or some silly setting I am missing in the settings??

Also, now in version 3 my bookmarks are no longer moveable. Cannot drag and drop bookmarks around in bookmark bar.

Any input on these issues would be greatly appreciated!

Ayespy

@shaw ctrl+f should make a search dialog (for find-in-page) appear on any and every page, irrespective of content. There are a few pages that block this action or capture it and implement some other function. That's page coding.

Ctrl+f is not for using a search engine. It is for find-in-page. To search for highlighted text, use the right-click context menu to search with the default search engine or to search with another engine.

I answered your bookmarks bar question under the thread you started for that.

shaw

@Ayespy said in Ctrl + F bug?:

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Yes, I would like to use CTRL + F for "Find in page" correct.
I am not using it to do a search engine search.

So, when I click CTRL + F NOTHING HAPPENS. At all.
Yet it works fine on all other browsers.

Pesala

@shaw Search settings to ensure that the Ctrl+F shortcut is still assigned. You can also try assigning other keys. I got used to period and forward slash from Opera 12.18, but I mostly use Ctrl+F.

Find in Page Shortcuts.png

I wish Ctrl+F would Toggle Find in Page. Pressing Escape to close it is awkward and using the mouse is slower than using Ctrl+F again would be.

Ayespy

@shaw It works here. As @Pesala said, check your shortcuts to ensure it is still assigned.

Further, do you use any extensions?

shaw

Yes find in page is set to CTRL F
Yes I use ABP and Builtwith

shaw

Now its not just CTRL + F thats buggy.
Now also, CTRL + C/X/V is giving me headaches too.
I know how to use Copy/Paste, and this is not normal.

Ayespy

@shaw Experimentally, refresh your profile. This will tell us if it's in your profile. If that doesn't result in normal function, then there is something wrong with your system or with the Vivaldi executable code.

shaw

@Ayespy Thank You that link was very helpful! Turns out, I am dumb and didnt realize I had the "Enable keyboard shortcuts" disabled lol. But in my defense, if CTRL + C is typically working, I wouldn't think my keyboard shortcuts are disabled!

Pesala

@shaw That is because Ctr+C is reserved by the system, so it is not a Vivaldi shortcut, per se.

Reserved Shortcut.png

ldexterldesign

Hi @Pesala,

Pressing Escape to close it is awkward

I respectfully disagree with your definition of awkward

To me, pressing two buttons (i.e. ctrl + f) is more awkward than pressing one button (i.e. esc)

I agree with the current Vivaldi default

Sincerely

Pesala

@ldexterldesign The point is that if you just used Ctrl+F to open the Find in Page toolbar, it is easier to use the same shortcut to close it again. Ctrl+F only requires one hand, and is very widely used in other programs.

In Vivaldi, you can assign whatever shortcut you prefer to Find in Page, but you still have to remember to use a different shortcut to close it again.

Single-key shortcuts like / or . do not work so well to close it as Ctrl+F because they also type text / and .

Escape can be assigned but it serves a general function of cancelling an action, like stop loading a page, etc.

ldexterldesign

Hi @Pesala,

The point is that if you just used Ctrl+F to open the Find in Page toolbar, it is easier to use the same shortcut to close it again

Yes, I understand your point correctly and I still disagree: just because you called a function using a shortcut doesn't mean that same shortcut should "Stop/No/Quit/Exit/Cancel/Abort or undo" that same function

This is what the esc key is for

Ctrl+F only requires one hand, and is very widely used in other programs

I don't understand, both ctrl +f and esc require one hand?

Sincerely

PS I don't mean to pick a fight here, simply stumbled upon this thread while researching something else and interested in HCI/usability

Pesala

@ldexterldesign said in Ctrl + F bug?:

I don't understand, both ctrl +f and esc require one hand?

Many common shortcuts: Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+X, Ctrl+S, Ctrl+A, Ctrl+Z = Copy, Paste, Cut, Save, Select All, Undo were specifically chosen because they are not as awkward as Ctrl+P (Print) for example.

It is less to remember and uses half as many precious shortcut options to use one shortcut for on/off. F4 to show/hide the panel, or Ctrl+Shift+S for show/hide the status bar (I just use "s").

@ldexterldesign said in Ctrl + F bug?:

I don't mean to pick a fight here

Some things are worth debating to arrive at a truly optimal solution.

ldexterldesign

Hi @Pesala,

Many common shortcuts: Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+X, Ctrl+S, Ctrl+A, Ctrl+Z = Copy, Paste, Cut, Save, Select All, Undo were specifically chosen because they are not as awkward as Ctrl+P (Print) for example.

I see your point but my keyboard (MacBook Pro) uses cmd instead of ctrl for this type of shortcut and I have two cmd keys on each side of my keyboard so, again, our definitions of awkward diverge. Good keyboards emulate this.

It is less to remember and uses half as many precious shortcut options to use one shortcut for on/off. F4 to show/hide the panel, or Ctrl+Shift+S for show/hide the status bar (I just use "s")

Unsure whether you're referring to same shortcut to toggle (i.e. disagreement with me) or esc (i.e. agreement with me) as less to remember but I think it's inane either way. Pressing half the buttons to get the job done is my point which I don't think is inane.

I guess for binary interactions (e.g. on/off, start/stop, show/hide) then toggling with the same shortcut makes sense but I don't think cmd/ctrl + f is a binary interaction; more of a process/flow task (1. open/show/start find; 2. type keywords/query/terms; 3. probably triage through results; 4. esc/close/hide/stop find) which requires "Stop/No/Quit/Exit/Cancel/Abort" as I referenced above

Unsure about ctrl or non-macOS platforms and I'm not saying one way is correct/incorrect but none of the other browsers I have installed (e.g. Brave, Firefox, Safari) use toggle cmd + f ‍️

Sincerely

Pesala

@ldexterldesign This is a Windows topic, but how easy a combination is to execute applies also to Mac Keyboards.

Ctrl on Mac is in the same place as Ctrl on Windows
Cmd on Mac is in the same place as Alt on Windows, which is used to access menus.

Find in Page is a Toolbar to my way of thinking, not a field like the URL field. We have two keys F8 to focus the URL field and F9 to focus the page, not one to toggle it on/off like F4 to toggle the Panels.

ldexterldesign

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ldexterldesign

Hi @Pesala,

Ahh, I see what you mean

Correct me if I'm wrong, your logic means binary interactions (e.g. on/off, start/stop, show/hide) would be toggled with the same shortcut and non-binary (e.g. process/flow tasks) would use a combination of shortcuts to complete a task?

This does make sense to me

Sincerely