Any word on M3? (internal mail client)

ghpy

@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):

[...] There is so much stuff being worked on right now[...]

Right now I don't need "so much", Vivaldi works fine (Thank you, by the way). I would be content with just two things

M3 with POP3 to get rid of M2 (which is getting buggier every year) and
the ability to prevent my bandwidth (and download volume) being consumed by html5-videos I am not interested in.

ElBastardo

Is there a place/list with upcoming features and/or ideas where users can vote for priority?

I share a similar sentiment.
Sure I like "cool new features" e.g. I am happy about the development around "pop-out video capabilities" but I am (still) using Opera 12.18 daily like 50 times as my sole e-mail and news feeds hub (including my own spam filter I started configuring like a decade ago).

Yes it is annoying, I manually copy every link I want to visit out of an e-mail or a news feed into Vivaldi.

So me personally, I would give M3 the only "highest priority" ticket there is.

burnout426

@ElBastardo Real quick OT comment since I couldn't send you a chat message:

Yes it is annoying, I manually copy every link I want to visit out of an e-mail or a news feed into Vivaldi.

In Opera 12, "Alt + P -> Advanced -> Programs", you can add http and https protocols and set them to open with the default browser on the system or a specific browser. Then, clicking on links will open in Vivaldi.

There are catches though:

When Opera loads the link in a new tab to trigger passing it on to the default browser, Opera leaves the tab open instead of automatically closing it. Not too big of a deal though.
When viewing a feed message, if it make use of an iframe, Opera will load the framed page in the default browser (Vivaldi for example) instead of in the message preview pane. This can be kind of annoying if you like to read the full feed message in Opera instead of going to the site.

Just thought I'd FYI ya. (Mod, please delete after user sees this)

Ayespy

@ElBastardo Assuming your're talking about desktop features...

https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/113/feature-requests-for-desktop

Codehunter

@burnout426 said in [Any word on M3? (internal mail client)]
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@ElBastardo Real quick OT comment since I couldn't send you a chat message:

Yes it is annoying, I manually copy every link I want to visit out of an e-mail or a news feed into Vivaldi.

In Opera 12, "Alt + P -> Advanced -> Programs", you can add http and https protocols and set them to open with the default browser on the system or a specific browser. Then, clicking on links will open in Vivaldi.

Very interesting! This is what I have missed a long time still using M2 until M3 is arriving. Can you say me how I can suppress M2 new-tab in O12 when clicking on a link in a mail before opens it in the external browser?

@mossman said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):

This is starting to feel like Duke Nukem Forever!

Let's hope M3 doesn't end the way that DNF (eveeeeennnnnnntually) did...

Hehe, after years of senseless waiting, I'm afraid that the Duke wants to nuke M3 forever

Fonant

@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):

Our goal for M3 is that is to be a better mail client than any other mail client out there, including our old M2 mail client.

Better than M2?

I will be SO excited when M3 finally arrives!

saudiqbal

@Fonant said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):

@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):

Our goal for M3 is that is to be a better mail client than any other mail client out there, including our old M2 mail client.

Better than M2?

I will be SO excited when M3 finally arrives!

In 2026

burnout426

@saudiqbal said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):

In 2026

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKQfxi8V5FA

3gerald

Well I just did a new build, and not even dual boot, straight mint 19.3, haven't booted to windows in 2 years, buuuuut!!. Now I have to load M2
and, do any one of you super users have an easy script to fix the dependency issue so it will work off of install instead of the launcher work around? I am worried that it may not be saving every thing correctly , or it can to easily be corrupted????

Thanks to all

Thanks Jon and team, your work then and now is appreciated.
Being a new product developer myself, I see both sides of the problem, but at some point, I have to make sure it wont do damage, and then release a product that isnt what I want but is better than whats out there, and it looks like you might be at that point

Ayespy

@3gerald said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):

have to make sure it wont do damage

Still working on this for M3. Otherwise, the product is progressing by leaps and bounds

3gerald

@Ayespy yes but the goal post is moving in leaps and bounds, are we at least not losing ground??
and yes I actually paid for opera when it first came out, it was so long ago I dont even remember the year, I have tried to use other email clients, but after years on M2, I'm done and figuring out how to go back to M2 before I can even get the others set up.
I am sure, my self and many more, would be more than happy to pay for M3 if it would help$ And again from the development side, it sometimes helps to have a schedule and a deadline, as I tell my guys, "dont tell me what you think I want to hear, tell me what reality is"

jon

@3gerald , as @Ayespy said, we are making good progress on M3. At the same time we want to make sure it is as stable as possible before we launch. A number of us have been using M3 for quite some time and it works well for our use, but we want it to work well for you all. All I can say is that we are getting closer each day now and we should have something to show you in the not too distant future!

Cheers!
Jon.

Ayespy

@3gerald I think all the necessary talent is focused on M3 that needs be, at present. It just that it is a huge and finicky project with an awe-inspiring number of moving parts.

I also paid for my first Opera license, and continue to find M2 indispensable. It is simply a superior client. And so will M3 be.

npro

@Ayespy I was using M2 for some time after the demise of Opera, however, being based on the Presto engine which was leaked to the darkweb and totally abandoned I 've stopped using it some years ago. I wouldn't call it still indispensable, it had its html display problems, its signature problems, its security problems, and -naturally- there have been way more better mail clients than it over the years. The eM Client for example is fantastic and it's my default (on Windows) since then. I really hope M3 can surpass it, but I'm not so sure, eM being a native (coded) program.

Ayespy

@npro I have a lifetime EMClient license. I find it gimmicky, heavy, and needlessly complex - plus it doesn't handle GMail IMAP properly. Plus for years, it had no threaded/conversation view. I tried taking advantage of many of its features when I first installed it, but ultimately found they were of no actual value to me. Don't expect M3 to be similar.

jumpsq

@npro said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):

security problems

Details, please. Are you talking about outdated ciphers that anyone can disable?

npro

@jumpsq In general (because M2 can still be used with <12.18 which until late 2013 had its problems, from 2013 'til 2016 when M2 was practically abandoned everyone was left in the dark until Opera was... notified (woke up) by an external researcher in 2016 and in conjuction with the code leak of 2017 which is a risk.
Who knows if any researcher cares about M2 anymore, I seriously doubt it looking at current Opera's (trendy/casual) userbase, I'm sure that if you 'd do a questionnaire right now 99% would not ever have heard about its existence, and 99% would be using some form of webmail (gmail in particular).

Folgore101

I still use M2 (12.18) and it's definitely not very safe to use anymore, but since we use it in a handful of people i doubt anyone will exploit its vulnerabilities.
M3 at the moment for my use is not yet ready, but they continue to work on it and almost daily introduce/fix things related to mail.
Obviously M3 won't appeal to everyone, the opinions between @Ayespy and @npro on EMClient are a clear example of how users rate or otherwise a thing.
Surely those who used M2 will feel at home, the substance is all there and some things that i adored in M2 makes me happy to find them in M3, of course there are also things that i would have preferred not to find anymore and others find them implemented in a different way, but i'm also a Vivaldi user and it's well known that we are demanding and difficult to please.

saudiqbal

M3 coming April 22? Just got an email for something great

jumpsq

@saudiqbal I somehow doubt it since Jon et al have said in the recent snapshot release notes that this would not be the case. Should they plan to start a beta phase for M3, I'm all for it, but developers have to finish 3.0, so iit's likely just about 3.0 being released. And releasing M3 without beta would be strange.