How we stand up to giants
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@Pesala It's insulting to me to brag about something you haven't achieved yet. Believe me, I really like Vivaldi and it's hard for me to switch to another browser because it's comfortable
and I appreciate working on it, but I'd rather see real innovation. You have things that are just yours, like synchronization, large scale personalization and so on. But boasting about the fact that our browser (on Google technology) works very well is as if I, after tuning my car's engine, boasted that the engine of MY production pulls out so much and so much. I don't know about you, but I don't talk like that unless I paint my car in Vivaldi colours and logo and I'll say what kind of innovator I am. -
@MattSolo45 said in How we stand up to giants:
But boasting about the fact that our browser (on Google technology) works very well is as if I, after tuning my car's engine, boasted that the engine of MY production pulls out so much and so much.
Vivaldi never claimed that they designed or developed the engine, so I'm struggling to see any lies here.
You can use somebody else's engine and still make a phenomenal car, like the Ariel Atom (which uses Honda Civic's engine) or Pagani Zonda (which uses Mercedes AMG's engine) to name just a few.
What you should keep in mind is that the development takes time and just because some features are not available, it does not mean that nobody cares - they might just have other priorities right now, so we have to be patient... -
Looks like I have to put in my two cents:
I did not create an account, to see these posts; most, not all are not transparent to what they want from Vivaldi; only a choice is made to display "hyper criticism" I neither am not a moderator BUT I display "common sense". What I "appear" to be reading is that Vivaldi is not for everyone; fine, please let me use Vivaldi,so I may get on with my volunteer work here.
Another thing not brought out is that others may be so involved in the Google system; as an FYI, I have deleted ALL things Google, that means that apps do not load, and I am free from Google 100% I configured Vivaldi for this permanent block! -
@joao-rossa: yeah.. maybe add an rss feed panel like the glorious sage++ addon firefox used to have....
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Are you willing to hear the truth & embrace it?
This post is out of frustration, caring, & hope. Otherwise, Chrome, Firefox, & the new Edge are just fine as main browsers.
I would love to be able to use Vivaldi as my main browser.I actually read the title as "How We stand on the, shoulders of, giants" because Vivaldi is built on Blink & V8 (Chromium) instead of "How we stand up to giants"
This an example of the lack of branding awareness when choosing the title (& your name's nature, more below on that)Sadly, Vivaldi is almost perfect except for a fatal flaw that might push me to ditch Vivaldi completely!
I have used it for two or three years now, I think, & I waited & waited in hope that it might be fixed meanwhile relying on continuous saving of tabs, which is a hustle.
Therefore, just the act of taking the time to sign up & tell you this is a fail on your part.By the way, I had to log in then log in again to comment!
THE FLAW:
Why or who decided to auto-close tabs in the background while not in use for a while!? (Rhetorical question)
I have looked at all the options & even downloaded an extension but to no avail!I want my tabs persistent & it is beyond infuriating that a browser does this on behind the unaware users.
In addition, there is another minor issue with the search bar saving searches & it was hard to figure out how to clear it & not easy to do it too. I do not even remember how I did it.
BRANDING
Sorry but your branding is terrible & this is why you are not getting the market share you desire & break through.
Probably you would have been one of the top browsers based on features alone but it is never about only that.Who decided to call it "Vivaldi"!?
Do you know how long it took to remember & get the name at least half-right? It simply does not stick.From Wikipedia "Its name comes from the Italian composer Antonio Vivaldi, which, according to one of its creators, is an easy name to be remembered and understood worldwide."
Don't know the composer (even though I've heard his music so many times), not an easy name even though I am a native English speaker & I guess because of the two Vs, & who did the consensus to say it was worldwide understood!?
The choice was a personal preference & failed on many 101s of branding.
This is many times due to a developer (technical mind) deciding on aesthetics.Choosing a name, which is the main part of a brand, is crucial & there are many variables to consider & different fields to consult to come up with the perfect brand (this is a science & art)
Doing a quick analysis on the name I can tell from (Vivaldi) that:
You motivation comes from individuality and independence, which can/will lead to conflicts as you have strong beliefs/personal strength ... (-1 for a company)
Also, you make an impression of affectionate & welcoming host on people which is good since you are always looking for ways to make others comfortable which means likable for large number of people (+1)
However, you feel most comfortable and automatically act as an analyst, philosopher, & can even be a teacher as you love silence and solitude which is not good for a company (-5)
As a company, you need (at least) the impression of reliability, growth, & charisma.
Using the right branding & strategies can achieve all of this.If it was up to me, I’ll rebrand & can definitely increase your market share by at least 10% if not more within 1-2 years. At least, I will put you on the right track.
The name reflects the composer well but not you as a company! You are living in the shadow of his energy & “name luck”.
By the way, Vivaldi was popular then faded, faced financial difficulties then died in poverty.
The only reason we even know of him or his work is that someone else (& many others) revived & resurrected his work.Now, view that as a trajectory of a company's life!
You need to accelerate the trajectory by doing the reviving & re-branding yourself. Push yourself into the cliff & have everything ready in place to catch yourself.
I am willing to help if you are willing to listen.
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@fseng said in How we stand up to giants:
Why or who decided to auto-close tabs in the background while not in use for a while!?
Tabs are never closed, they are, however, hibernated to save RAM and CPU cycles. See Hibernating Tabs and Lazy Loading in the help file.
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@pafflick: There are roughly 5000 feature requests in total in our bugreport system, while developing those we also have to keep the browser stable/fix bugs. With a small team that'll go slow, as we grow, more developers = more stuff done ofc. But there are also features that we can't add / are too much work for too little gain / too troublesome to add (atleast yet). But we try to add as much cool stuff that our users recommend as possible, imo
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@pesala: I wonder, is there any way to disable hibernation entirely or for select tabs? I haven't experienced the issue outlined above as my usecase usually doesn't involve working with many tabs but I assume what is happening is that after a certain point the engine has a mechanism to hibernate the tabs by itself (to free up cpu cycles/ Ram). This is what fseng is trying to prevent.
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@pesala: I've said it was a rhetorical question.
I know what exactly is going on & it's simply WRONG. I don't need any saving or RAM etc. I want my tabs as they are.
Last time, for instance, I had 83 tabs open, came hours later & only had 13 open & yes 70 were closed not hibernating. Reopening closed tabs only goes so far maybe 15 more or so & then can't reopen.
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@fseng said in How we stand up to giants:
70 were closed not hibernating
If so, that would be a bug, not by design.
Please see How to Report a Bug
This link is now on the Help menu, Report a Bug.
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Congrats, live long Vivaldi!
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Firstly, kudos to Vivaldi team! When Opera died I began using Firefox and had to use many extensions, since the browser is bare bones. Then, when I switched to Vivaldi I didn't need that amount of extensions.
But one thing that it lagged behind was sessions support. The Firefox extension was far better. I posted a request to improve it and had no answer and even today the sessions functionality is still under-powered. So, IMHO communication with users could be improved.
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@AlesPG better this way (or you have realized you were wrong and deleted it) because the things you were saying about "unique Opera innovations" were laughable.
To name those that you've mentioned 1 by 1:- Opera's VPN is not a true VPN but rather a proxy and it isn't a true no-log.
- Opera's VPN is feeding data into Facebook “Your Off-Facebook Activity”, so there goes your privacy and company that does not lie in your face.
- Picture in Picture (or video pop-up) is a Chromium feature just Opera jumped on it before everyone else to show off it's theirs, just like they did with the dark theme that applies to all Chromium based browsers, naming it "the coming of Jesus, R3", and releasing it one or two months before everyone else. Of course now that Chromium has changed the code for PiP they are using Chromium's. Why really if it was their own... innovation.
- Native ad-blocker, besides being an old Opera Presto feature, is inferior, contains exceptions to various sites like amazon, facebook, google, the places that are practically advertised in their Speed Dial, that the common user is not aware of.
- "Workspaces" like you said, a visual thing that exists in Vivaldi from the beginning (Ctrl+Tab) or holding right-mouse click and mouse scroll.
- Edit snapshots, an...innovation (of 2017) that they copied from Microsoft Edge (2015).
- Switching between light & dark theme, what an innovation... also coming years after Vivaldi which offers unlimited themes.
- Currency and copy pop-ups, laughable "innovations", there are dozens of better innovations in Google's Chrome Extensions like that.
Their only innovation is how to exploit poor souls in Africa by lending them money with predatory "colonial" interest rates to patch their constantly bleeding money holes in case you haven't heard. https://hindenburgresearch.com/opera-phantom-of-the-turnaround/ and are in big trouble as we speak INVESTOR ALERT: Kirby McInerney LLP Announces That a Class Action Lawsuit Has Been Filed Against Opera Limited
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@npro shheeeeessshh!
I knew that the Opera management post-Jon sold its soul to the devil, but I didn't realise it was that bad!
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I retired Opera when it underwent its change of ownership. I love Vivaldi, but can I pour a splash of cold water over this encomium? When Vivaldi gets a Master Password it becomes my main browser; but not until then.
P.S. I note further on up this thread that somebody was complaining about the name "Vivaldi"......hey ho....personally I like the brand name (and the eponymous composer, although he's more than a bit over-ubiquitous), but even those who don't should give thanks they didn't decide to call it "Brave".....#Disclaimer# other shit brand names are in circulation.....
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I like the classical music theme branding. It suggests class. Vivaldi's music is vivacious and innovative.
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@J1984 said in How we stand up to giants:
P.S. I note further on up this thread that somebody was complaining about the name "Vivaldi"......hey ho....personally I like the brand name (and the eponymous composer, although he's more than a bit over-ubiquitous), but even those who don't should give thanks they didn't decide to call it "Brave".....#Disclaimer# other shit brand names are in circulation.....
Agreed, personally although a former user from 1998 to 2015? I never liked the name Opera, I think between the 2 I prefer the name Vivaldi way more.
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M3...?
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@fseng said in How we stand up to giants:
@pesala: I've said it was a rhetorical question.
I know what exactly is going on & it's simply WRONG. I don't need any saving or RAM etc. I want my tabs as they are.
Last time, for instance, I had 83 tabs open, came hours later & only had 13 open & yes 70 were closed not hibernating. Reopening closed tabs only goes so far maybe 15 more or so & then can't reopen.
As @Pesala said, this would be a bug. Tabs are never closed automatically. Even more, hibernation (which doesn't close tabs, as you seem to know) only happens if your computer is running low on RAM (as far as I'm aware), and is done in order to prevent massive slowdown of the system.
I don't think I've ever seen Vivaldi close tabs without input from me. Sounds like a very rare issue.