How to choose a browser in 2020
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@MattSolo45 said in How to choose a browser in 2020:
@Catweazle It's best for you not to change your browser with chrome, because there will be one and the same thing anyway with possible options that will be copied. And in my opinion, browsers with an individual engine should be the future and compete in this field too. Without diversity it gets boring and repetitive. Vivaldi just lacks the strength to change something so it's better to give up on it than to show something really great. I'd like Vivaldi to have an old opera engine, the Presto, so that the browser can get its character and be something new. But, well... it's better to keep your head down or you'll get a blow on your head.
The web and new formats require an engine that can best handle it. and this is the one that Vivaldi has.
It does not have to do with being boring, but having a browser that works best on the network. Therefore I do not see so advantageous that each browser uses its own engine, since this would mean that each browser reacts differently on the same page which would not benefit the user at all. This independent since Vivaldi with its own engine had to develop again from scratch, which would obviously be its end. That all browsers will go to Chromium has good reasons, because it is the one that offers better benefits, if not, MS would have stayed with its own that it already had in Edge instead of going over also to Chromium. Compare the scores in the Html5 Test and you will see that no -Chromium browser does not reach Vivaldi and other Chromium based scores. -
@MattSolo45 said in How to choose a browser in 2020:
...Browsers with an individual engine should be the future and compete in this field too. Without diversity it gets boring and repetitive... I'd like Vivaldi to have an old opera engine, the Presto, so that the browser can get its character and be something new.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I agree, no one wants a boring and repetitive web like when IE ruled the market. But I'd argue that currently, core web technologies like HTML5 and CSS are getting tons of innovative development with something new all the time, and another rendering engine wouldn't speed up that process much anyway. Did Edge speed up that process at all? Not as far as I'm aware, I think they were typically playing catch-up. And whatever development they did do, they should be able to do just as effectively within the chromium engine.
Vivaldi's small team chose to spur diversity and prevent boring stagnation by developing a killer UI. Everyone else is creating minimalist UIs good for nothing more than casual browsing. Vivaldi isn't funding an in-house rendering engine, meaning they have extra resources to fund UI development. And look what that's gotten us! Razer-chroma and Philips Hue integration, themes which adjust between day and night, quick commands, tab stacks, web panels, and my personal favorites which are end-to-end encrypted sync and full-page screenshots! I'm very happy with the active development and new features we get on the UI!
Here's a Vivaldi blog post explaining further why they use chromium. And note at the end they say developing their own rendering engine doesn't make sense for now, but could in the future!
... How likely is it that down the line we’ll change our chosen engine or develop our own? The short answer is that we depend on the many modifications we have made to the Chromium code, and “translating” these to a new engine would not make much sense. At least not at the moment.
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@ukanuk , exactly, it makes sense that technology and especially computing advances in giant steps (see Quantum computer from Google and MS) and it also changes in the future browser technology, but at the moment Chromium is the best choice for quite some more time.
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@ukanuk @Catweazle This is the best choice for the browser for 2020, so the new Edge is the best choice. It's fast, synchronized between devices (including the page uploads I missed in vivaldi), a powerful mobile browser, security, speed of development and a very fast response to errors. Vivaldi at the moment doesn't offer such a strong competition against the edge apart from personalization (which in my opinion has stopped recently) and the microsoft itself very well that it has switched to a new engine because your fears that it will be a better browser as they will now hurt the whole Vivaldi team and @Jon itself.
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@Gwen-Dragon It will be on Mac and Linux. I guess you're under-informed. So it's the best choice for any platform.
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@Gwen-Dragon said in How to choose a browser in 2020:
Oh, on all OS? Then i have a lack of information. I apologize.
You have nothing to apologize for.
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OFF topic :@HealingCross , Google's problem is not the unquestionable quality of its products, many of them without a real alternative, but the stunts that the user has to absolve to protect privacy as much as possible, using them.
In Windows, the problem is minor, due to the huge number of excellent OpenSource alternatives available to its applications. In fact there are more Open Source products for Windows than for Linux, even developed by MS itselfRegarding browsers, there is no problem of having one or more other browsers, apart from Vivaldi, there are more than fifty to choose from and they can be useful for specific tasks or as a reservation in case there is a Vivaldi crash/bug/incompatibility.
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@HealingCross , I think it was necessary for MS to change browser technology, so as not to be relegated to a simple tool to download a browser. The passage to Chromium was logical and, as I said, I think that others will also do it sooner or later. If it is for system resources, ok, I think Vivaldi is also in a good place at this point, although with the current capabilities of the PCs in the background is more relevant the functionality that offer a browser. It is there where there are the real differences.
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@HealingCross said in How to choose a browser in 2020:
... The new Edge seems way lighter on ressources
While a clean install of Vivaldi may actually use more resources than a clean install of Edge, I think the main reason it uses more on my system is because I use Vivaldi for everything, and Edge for barely anything. I get vastly superior functionality with Vivaldi, so I don't mind the extra few seconds to launch. It's a bit like opening Adobe Photoshop versus Microsoft Paint - of course the program with greater functionality will be slower in some scenarios. The beefier software is slower to start but faster in the long run because it includes tools to work way smarter.
In Edge, I open tabs and that's about it. In Vivaldi, I have 3x web panels, 3x pinned tabs, several tab stacks with 4-20 tabs in each, an ad partial block extension (it still allows non-invasive ads), and the Vimium extension for a few keyboard shortcuts which Vivaldi still hasn't implemented.
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This should be the criterion, it does not help me if a browser opens a tenth of a second faster, if apart from this it lacks any function that allows me to work more efficiently and faster with the browser. Nor do I care so much if I might have some more demands on the system, at least if it is not a very old PC with little memory.
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