Introducing SMS verification for new Vivaldi Accounts
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@jwsbat Perhaps you do not see the Spam in the forum. I do report such "issues" when I see them and someone has to take care of it afterwards. It makes sense to implement such measures.
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Are you serious?
Do you think, people will spread their personal mobile phone number just to get write access to a forum?Bad decision to "secure" forum accounts by SMS verification.
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@jochen01 Help reduce the Spam arriving at the Forum such as Bangalore Help Center and best Financial Aid Services and that countermeasure can be removed immediately. In fact Spam has recently increased hence the means.
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@Kahukura, are you talking about the forum or blogs? I have never seen spam on the forum, but I see hundreds of spam comments on blogs(you don't need an account on Vivaldi to write a comment on blogs platform, so 2FA will not solve the issue).
P.S. SMS is the worst way of 2FA and I'm happy that many users see that.
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@Semenov-Sherin Here at forum.vivaldi.net they pop up frequently. I am mostly reading here.
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It is not for forum or sync, only blog and email.
Did anybody read the article?Cheers, mib
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I will create a new account just to add Vivaldi as a contact!
Birthday cards
Christmas best wishes...Whatsapping...
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@mib2berlin You can use your new Vivaldi Account exactly where afterwards?
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@kahukura
Hi, if I understand correctly a new user has to verify per SMS if he/she want to use blog and/or Vivaldi mail.Cheers, mib
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@mib2berlin Yes I understood that but the ID can be used for everything else like the Forum as well, can't it?
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If this is TLDR for you:
SMS is the works way of 2FA and if verification by phone number is required, I can not recommend this browser to my friends anymore. I never asked for this and I will never use it!I love Vivaldi and I really think today this is one of the most promising browsers, but in moments like this I almost hate the team!
– How to change recovery email?
– No way.
– OK, how to change my nickname?
– No way.
– How to choose a name for the blog?
– No way, we will use you nickname as URL for your blog.
– But I can not change my nickname, why?
– Because Vivaldi is more than just a forum.Come on! I never asked you for email service and I never asked you for a blog. It worked and for me it worked well, but then you add new features that I didn’t ask for and make me inconvenient.
SMS is the works way of 2FA and I will never use it! Did I ask for this? Nope! But you do this again and now the only what I can do is just accept unacceptable for me conditions. Great work, guys!
New roles work for new users only. OK, but what if a new user has the same view on world like me? Are you sure you really can save my phone number? Are you sure we can trust your partners? 2FA via SMS must be optional!
This is not about security, this is not about privacy, this is about spam. Hera are tons of smap and this is problem. So just add a CAPCHA. If verification by phone number is required, I can not recommend this browser to my friends anymore.
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Spam is an evil that increases in any social network and pages that allow comments. Although it does not make me very happy to use an SMS to confirm a registration, it is an efficient method to avoid spam, since current spambots are able to solve many captchas better than me. Although I do not know, if it is so advisable to use a third party service for this. Perhaps a method to prevent spam is delaying the confirmation of registration, it would be more advisable, since most spamers use a temporary fake mail that expires in less than one hour, as I have seen in some forums, with what they have managed to reduce spam considerably. No spamer waits so long for confirmation to register, but I think a real user would accept this small inconvenience.
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The other day I also read another method to avoid at least the bots. The idea is quite simple, just add one more line in the registration form, which a real user must leave empty, this can be notified in the form text. A spambot is programmed to fill in all fields, with which it is reported as such.
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That's what appears.
The SMS Verification is just for WebMail and Blog - as someone said -.
@Semenov-Sherin
So,
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@Zalex108 said in Introducing SMS verification for new Vivaldi Accounts:
I will create a new account just to add Vivaldi as a contact!
Birthday cards
Christmas best wishes...Whatsapping...
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You will not. Don't forget a 3rd party service is used for this
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The SMS Verification is just for WebMail and Blog - as someone said.
So, V would still be recommended as a Browser, for the rest of services there are other options if you or they prefer.I see several problems:
- New users has no choice. Vivaldi force them to use SMS verification even if they don't want to do this. Are you sure that the world without choice is so cool?
- "SMS verification" sounds as "we need to make sure you're a human", but I'm almost sure that it will work as 2FA and you can not remove you phone number when verification will be complete (sorry, if I'm wrong, I'll try to translate the article tomorrow).
- Phone number is highly sensitive data (if you don't think so, just check the next point). Look on Facebook, Twitter or other websites. Why when Zuckerberg forced users to give him their phone numbers it was bad, but when Von Tetzchner does the same it's so cool?
- I'm almost sure that if you think that phone number is the best way of 2FA and verification, you live in a country where you need only a few dollars to get a new number. It's hard to explain if you don't need documents to get a phone number, but that's why many people don't use so "private" Telegram or Signal. Phone number is more sensitive data than just an email.
- Simple example: "Syncing browser data or posting to the Vivaldi Forum: email verification only". What if the email service you use has been compromised? What if you can not use it anymore? You can not just change your recovery email, because "Vivaldi is more than just a forum". This is the problem that did not exist yesterday, but now this is your problem, because Vivaldi didn’t warn you that they were going to do this.
And this is the main problem for me: Vivaldi don’t warn us about their plans, but very often their actions become a problem for me. But they think this is OK: "This is how our services work now". But yesterday your services worked different and I like it!
Are you sure that tomorrow they won't ask you for something else? Copy of your documents to verify your identity, a security deposit to make sure that you will not use their services for fraud, fingerprints to be sure you are not a dog and your immortal soul to... show you that Terms of Service is really important to read! "Terms and Conditions may apply" and this is bad for a "privacy focused" company: use our services or get out!
P.S. There are many other methods of 2FA and many other ways to deal with spam. Vivaldi chose the simplest, but the worst. Why is this good news?
P.P.S Sorry, if I was too rude, but for me this is really important problem. I can write a huge opus "Why identification by phone number is the worst mankind invention" and now I'm disappointed that the team chose this way...
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@potmeklecbohdan said in Introducing SMS verification for new Vivaldi Accounts:
@Zalex108 said in Introducing SMS verification for new Vivaldi Accounts:
I will create a new account just to add Vivaldi as a contact!
Birthday cards
Christmas best wishes...Whatsapping...
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You will not. Don't forget a 3rd party service is used for this
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@Semenov-Sherin said in Introducing SMS verification for new Vivaldi Accounts:
I see several problems:
On my side, I don't use the V Webmail, nor the Blog - yet -, but even in case I will and needs the Phone Verification, I've been accustomed from other Services, so for me is not a big deal.
On the other side, if you avoid that everywhere for privacy I would understand it.
But if that would compromise you, then you should use another services.
I don't know how many users uses Webmail and the Blog, but I suppose they are sane.
The verification seems to be for those other users who uses their services for other purposes.
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Are still there any WebMail or Blog services without the must of Phone verification? -
@kahukura Sure. But they should avoid reducing the grade of privacy to fight against spam.
I am sure there are other ways to get these things sorted out. -
If you have a blog on Vivaldi.Net you know how many spam comments are here. But I'm almost sure that the reason is simple: a week ago you didn’t need an account to write a comment, a week ago you could just provide your "name" and your "email". That's why I have 3.5K spam comments and only 35 comments from real people. After these changes the amount of spam on my blog for this week is 0, but I don't think this is because of SMS verification, this is because now you need Vivaldi account to write a comment.