Product Managers Developers, can you please make this browser usable on macOS?
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@Echosyn I just looked up your "Vivaldi does not remember history" bugs and they all got closed with a status of "Cannot Reproduce". In fairness to the QA team, the bug reports that I saw did not list any specific steps-to-reproduce... nor did they list any extensions that were in use that might be causing (or contributing to) the problems that you are experiencing.
Hopefully the multitude of security extensions that you are using are not conflicting with one another and reducing your overall security.
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@luetage Vivalidi does NOT have any such Keychain integration. I created an account in Vivaldi, the credentials were not saved in Keychain. Further, any site I have saved form data is never loaded in Vivaldi.
The topic is about desktop Vivaldi on macOS and the inconvenience it causes by not using the OS built in centralised password storage, Keychain, which incidentally, Keychain has worked well for me for 19 years.
Example, I have 6 email logins on Protonmail. Safari will display a list of each of those when I tab into the user field on that site. Keychain app allows me at the OS level to manage those passwords and user IDs, I can modify, and save user ID and passwords. I expect any browser running on this OS to tap into that centralised password storage system.
It is highly inconvenient to have 3 different browsers managing passwords in their own independent way. A 3rd party browser give little incentive and has limited value if I have to spend my precious time on re -enter every site's form data of user and pass over and over again in each browser. Any new site I visit and create an account would force me to do login to Vivaldi, then FireFox and then in Safari to maintain password alliance of each browser for when I need to switch between browsers at any time.
It is for these situations the company develops a centralised solution in the first place. We cannot ever trust or expect a multi platform developer, especially if they are Windows-centric, to develop a more elegant useful convenient implementation. Apple develops these os level system services so that 3rd parties don’t have to waste time doing their own thing and creating these inconveniences for users.
Lets examine exactly why we cannot trust a 3rd party to provide a convenient useful solution.
Vivaldi, Preferences, Privacy, Passwords. It has a checkbox to save password, wow, amazing. It provides a tiny non resizable frame of listed passwords. It has only a ‘Delete’ button. No edit, no duplicate, only delete. No reference to know when the password was created, modified or last used, no security certificate information. In summary, absolutely useless!
So the point is, if you can’t do a decent job in providing useful functionality, tap into the system provided services and let the OS manage all that. Really is simple logic. This is always an issue when a company does not have ‘big picture, small picture, user focused’ type thinking product managers and too many ‘micro detail’ Developers who often fail to recognise the value of user convenience.
@Gwen-Dragon
My point above, Developers should not be the ones making design and useage decision! Developers are supposed to do what they are directed to do by product managers.
Beside that, I’d love you to back up your suggestion with some useful statistics and prove to me how effective these submissions are into producing user requests. LOL.
Mod edit: Tried to keep the substance of your post while removing disrespectful language toward other community members.
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@GenXstarX Vivaldi is a cross-platform app and there are several areas where the macOS platform integration needs to be improved.
You're quite right that Vivaldi does not store its passwords in the Keychain. It only uses the Keychain to store the password that it uses to encrypt and decrypt data (such as passwords and other autofill data) in secure storage. Vivaldi is based on Chromium and uses Chromium's storage model to store passwords on disk. Chromium used to store passwords in the macOS keychain but not anymore; that code got removed before Vivaldi even came into existence. I don't disagree with your reasoning for wanting Keychain integration but for practical purposes, there needs to be a substantial benefit (that outweighs other factors) before the Vivaldi team makes any major changes to the underlying Chromium code.
As for improving the password management UI and enhancing its functionality, this is a still very much a work in progress. Until very recently, we had to use Chromium's UI for managing passwords.
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@GenXstarX Some statistics on the Implementation of Feature Requests.
About a year after the current version of the Feature Requests forum was created, there are now some 1,521 feature requests. Some 77 have been tagged as DONE, i.e. implemented in 2.2 Stable build, and 4 more are tagged as IN PROGRESS, i.e. implemented in 2.3 Snapshots.
There are 19 developers in the Vivaldi Team. They are working on email, mobile, fixing bugs and regressions in the Desktop versions for three platforms, and implementing feature requests as the third priority.
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@GenXstarX I'm exactly one of those people who uses a third party password manager. Guess what, it has the undeniable advantage that it works on every operating system. With keychain app you are locked into the Apple ecosystem. For the very same reason I don't use Vivaldi's inbuilt password manager, because I need my passwords accessible in other browsers and additionally I want to store more than just website passwords. I also don't use iTunes, iCloud, iWhatever, because the very same applies. MacOS is just one operating system and in my opinion you can't leave anything deserving some sort of backup or demanding cross-platform compatibility up to its very hungry fangs. A matter of taste of course.
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@luetage said in Product Managers Developers, can you please make this browser usable on macOS?:
I'm exactly one of those people who uses a third party password manager.
Highjacking the thread, what password manager do you use, if it's okay to ask?
I'm thinking of using one of those password managers and wondering which one. I read somewhere a report that the Chrome plugin of a password manager stopped working on Vivaldi, which made me worried.
Vivaldi sometimes breaks something and takes a while before the functionality is restored. That's okay in 99% of the cases. But, the password manager is a critical piece. If it's stopped working, you'll loose access to a lot of websites from Vivaldi.
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@ryofurue The password management extensions should work, at the Chromium level anyway, and if any extension-related issues do arise, hopefully they can be found by Snapshot testers early in the cycle and fixed by the time that version gets released to the Stable channel. It's even better when extension developers test with Vivaldi.
One big annoyance right now is that extension keyboard shortcuts aren't working and this makes using some password managers painful. It's a longstanding issue and the dev team is working on a solution.
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@GenXstarX I agree with you that keychain integration is something that would greatly improve Vivaldi on Mac. The people who want to use an OS but then not use some of its major advantages are atypical and need to recognize that as such. Atypical perspectives really can't drive development of something that should hit what most want, and yeah, most people want a Mac browser to use keychain integration (I'm not speaking of iCloud here, only local machine integration), because, it works for most people most of the time.
That's the honest and painful truth. Keychain integration is important to most Mac users. Yes, we'd like it. Yes, it is something that prevents wide-scale adoption.
I understand that this isn't quite the priority as other things, but let's bump it up a notch or two. I'd prefer it, actually, over anything else, because -- maybe I'm atypical here -- Vivaldi doesn't crash or otherwise display weird behavior that bothers me.
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