Dedicated Bookmarks Folder for Search Engines
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@para-noid said in Dedicated Bookmarks Folder for Search Engines:
You can also search using nicknames in the address bar.
therefore you have to save the searchengine in the searchsettings before. and that is what @duarte-framos want to simplify
only a folder with searchengine entrys like speeddial or bookmarkbar -
@derday said in Dedicated Bookmarks Folder for Search Engines:
@para-noid said in Dedicated Bookmarks Folder for Search Engines:
You can also search using nicknames in the address bar.
therefore you have to save the searchengine in the searchsettings before. and that is what @duarte-framos want to simplify
only a folder with searchengine entrys like speeddial or bookmarkbarExactly what @derday said, thanks. Not sure what the confusion is
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I have to admit to being puzzled about what this would achieve. I don't see it happening, just because the Search Engines in Settings already does what users need, with drag and drop sorting, easy editing of searches, easy adding of search engines, etc.
Search engines are already synced.
Folders in the search with menu? I suppose some users have dozens of search engines, but if you have to navigate another layer of submenus to find the right one it's a slow method.
I got used to inserting notes because I can do it all with the keyboard. For example, to insert my system specs it is:
Menu Key, I, V, S
I can also access my Search With submenu with the keyboard, but it's a bit harder. E.g. to search a selected word with my Oxford dictionary it would be:
Menu Key, S, S, Enter, O
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@pesala Thank you. The only thing I could see that the OP was after is to add a search engine in the settings and/or then save to a bookmark folder. As you said search engines are by default synced. I can see why you prefer the keyboard method. You have simplified the process. It works for you. I'm still old school, I like bookmarks. To each their own.
@Pesala Once again you have proven how flexible and customizable Vivaldi really is. Again thanks.
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FOLDERS is what search engines as bookmark would achieve.
Current Firefox user looking into Vivaldi here. I'm here to say that wildcard bookmarks are a greatly underrated feature. Here is my pledge to why it should be added to Vivaldi, if Vivaldi truly is a browser for power users.
Before I started using wildcard bookmarks, I had struggled for a long time with search engine entries. Those were hard to edit or add and they were not synced between computers. Even today, they are still not imported when migrating between browsers.
Today, I have 61 wildcard bookmarks on Firefox, 18 of which I used within the last 48 hours, and 53 of which I'm likely to use within the next four weeks. I checked each of them, the only 8 useless ones are 4 general search engines, 2 language translation wildcard bookmarks between languages that I rarely use (and rarely want to translate between) and lastly, 2 uncategorised wildcard bookmarks.
My bookmarks are sorted in 7 categories:
- General search engines (1 (+4))
- Dictionaries (3)
- Translation dictionaries (5 (+2))
- Synonyms dictionaries (2)
- Knowledge (3)
- Programmer page query (7)
- Programmer search tools (5)
- Stack Exchange (3)
- Info page query (6)
- The Internet (12)
6 (+2) uncategorised
(One of the sites has 6 entries just to enter search prefixes (it's the only one ATM))
I create about 1 new wildcard bookmark every month, maybe more.
I have already tried to manage many search engines in Chrome in the past. It's not enjoyable at all. I gave up on adding more after the 20th I added, and reverted to Firefox within 3 days, because I can't do without that feature. Firefox may be the slowest of web browsers at times, but with the wildcard bookmark feature, it is the fastest, because the amount of time to go and look for a search bar is far greater that of a loading page. You just Ctrl+L your way to the search bar and you are free to go wherever you want within seconds.
I looked at what Vivaldi can offer in terms of search engines ATM. There is a lot of room for improvement.
- N There is no way to manage your engines by categories. (duarte.framos's 3)
- N The URL boxes have fixed width, so even when fullscreen, you can't see the full URL at once.
- N How do you backup your search engines ? Especially since the
Restorebutton lets you delete all of them in two clicks, on all of your computers if you use syncing (I guess). (duarte.framos's 1 (&2 I guess)) - N You can't import search engines from other browsers (nor wildcard bookmarks).
(Correct me if I'm wrong)
On the positive side:
- P The autocompletion API field ("Suggested URL") is refreshing. I expect I would be going to like it if I was moving to Vivaldi.
- P You can set the engine to use POST. This is definitely new too, and a lot better than the alternative of using a REST client.
- P Private search engine. Mozilla says they are focusing on privacy but they are lagging behind on that point.
- P The search engine list extends vertically when you have more than 10 of them (it was a worry I had until I tried adding new engines).
- P
Drag & drop search engines to reorganize them.Everybrowser has that today.
(1N), (2N) and (3N) would be fixed if the proposal was implemented. Also Vivaldi would be one step closer to solving (4N). duarte.framos has stated more arguments than I did.(duarte.framos's 4) makes a lot of sense to me. As for (duarte.framos's 6), I'm not a Vivaldi user and I haven't tried that feature, but it seems to be a totally valid point too.
I hope I convinced you to migrate from Vivaldi to Firefox. Vivaldi, you guys have done a wonderful job so far. You have infinite history with a great search interface and, since quite recently, this is synced to the cloud, so I don't have to worry about it when changing OS or computer. I definitely like the idea of needing almost no addons to make my browser worth.
I'll keep reading Vivaldi update changelog headlines to know the day wildcard bookmarks (or bookmark search engines) are available so that I can finally move to Vivaldi.
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@loxaxs Great points, agree with it all. I really miss Firefox's Bookmark wildcards, I'm even considering going back some day just because of that.
Another bonus is that when I used Firefox I never really bothered to set up traditional search engines, I simply set them all up as regular bookmarks with
%s.
This has the unexpected benefit of seamlessly syncing with all other browser instances, including the mobile version for Android. Since many mobile browsers don't even let you setup custom search engines (force you to use Google), nor do they have bookmark nicknames, this essentially allowed me to have unlimited custom search engines on my phone without additional work. -
@duarte-framos You should've linked your old thread.
For us, people not familiar with Firefox bookmarks and wildcards it can be quite confusing. I admit that I already forgot what it was about, even though you explained it to me quite nicely back then... -
@pafflick Yes that post explains it more thoroughly. There is already a link to it in my first post.
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@duarte-framos said in Dedicated Bookmarks Folder for Search Engines:
This could solve several issues and feature requests
Partially yes, but IMO this solution would be just ersatz.
- search engine is not a bookmark - mixing these types / terms is not logical nor user friendly
- it would still require separate UI section that works in a bit different way. And adding exceptions and mixing them is not the best UX approach.
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look, what mozilla announces:
Live Bookmarks will be removed starting with Firefox version 64(don't hit me, I'm just the bearer of the bad news)
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@derday This is a different thing, doesn't seem to affect the use of nicknames and wildcards in the URL hopefully.
They sound like a cool concept, though I never actually used live bookmarks myself.I'm an avid strong RSS reader user, but sadly I guess I'll never get to try Live Bookmarks now. There are good alternative feed readers out there though, like FeedBro so not all is lost
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@loxaxs said in Dedicated Bookmarks Folder for Search Engines:
On the positive side:
- P The search engine list extends vertically when you have more than 10 of them (it was a worry I had until I tried adding new engines).
Well this is actually false. Vivaldi will vertically expand from 10 to 13, but won't go further.
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@loxaxs said in Dedicated Bookmarks Folder for Search Engines:
I have already tried to manage many search engines in Chrome in the past. It's not enjoyable at all.
I can confirm that it isn't enjoyable at all in Vivaldi either.
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@loxaxs This is false, as far as I can tell. I have added some dictionaries to test this, and now have 15. I have read elsewhere about users with many more search engines. Presumably @TsunamiZ has a lot or he would not be asking for an Option to Sort Search Engines Alphabetically. One user replying to that thread says he/she has 20 or so.
Perhaps your problem is that you have set the scrollbars to autohide?
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@Pesala The scrollbars aren't set to autohide. They are visible all the time. When I say that having many search engines is not enjoyable, I'm referring to my personal experience, and its being far below the one I have with Firefox wildcard bookmarks.
This is what the scrollbar looks like with 58 search engines (using a white theme to match the theme of the forum, for better readability):
14 search engines are displayed at a time. This means that there are 4.1 se-display-window to scroll to reach the last of my search engines (I use the PgDown key for this of course). But still, FOLDERS would be so much better.
Furthermore, the positioning and sizing of the elements on the search setting screen could use some small but great improvements, see the picture below.
In red, the current position and size of different elements of the page, and in green, the position and size they should have.
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I created a duplicated thread and I was sent here because apparently it has the solution and all I see is a bunch of nonsense, just make it possible for people to do it like Firefox, which is objectively better, that's it. Nobody wants to add and set up search engines every time you do a new install. Or want to go to forums and read workarounds from third party users that don't know how to explain themselves. This request has been sitting here since 2018 and nobody has solved it.
what is even the point of making them?
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@nMaib0 I think you misunderstood the replies in your thread - nobody has promised you to find any "solutions" here, you were merely directed here so that instead of making a duplicated request you can vote on the existing one and thus show your support for the suggested idea.
There are many other requests, "sitting" here for two years or more. That is due to the fact that the development team has limited resources, they're working on new features while trying to keep up with the engine updates, fixing bugs, maintaining their web services, providing support etc. Also, keep in mind that some features are more complicated or more difficult to implement than others, while not attracting too much attention from the users, therefore they're given less priority.
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@nMaib0 said in Dedicated Bookmarks Folder for Search Engines:
All I see is a bunch of nonsense
Just because you do not understand the replies, does not make them nonsense.
The OP cited six reasons for making this request:
- They would be easy to backup
- To solve exporting/restoring search engines issues.
- A lot easier to manage
- Unify everything in on place
- They would automatically just become synced
- The Search with menu could have sub menus
The suggestion to save your search engines in a bookmark folder would achieve all of the above. The one important thing it would not achieve is to allow easy searching with those bookmarks, so the request is valid and worth waiting for.
However, we will have to wait for it as this thread is not yet tagged as in progress or even nice to have. So, for those whose main concern is backup and sync/transfer of search engines, the suggestions are very useful.
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Hi,
I just thought of a feature that can make search engine or using translating website (like google translate or linguee) smoother. Similarly to search engine that fill the search hotkey (%s) with whatever we type in the bar, I think that having bookmarks that can automatically send the right URL using the clipboard can greatly improve the QoL of using bookmarks/search engines.
You could see it as a different approach than "Paste and Go". This one is great too but limited to the navigation/search bar and require to select the navigation/search bar first. The shortcut is not intuitive either.
Ideally, setting certain bookmarks as "smart bookmarks" as an optional setting for bookmarks which adds a visual cue or positions the smart bookmark to a different bar is what I was thinking of.I thought of this because, for my work, I have to write a lot. Very often, I need to look for translations, synonyms, antonyms. Thus, every now and then, I end up alt-tabbing to Vivalvi with words copied from MS Word for example.
Such feature would greatly improve the versatility and smoothness of using the browser with writing programs.
If this request gets any interest, I can make a visual explanation of it.
Thank you for your time reading my request.
I have never expressed this before, so I'd like to thank you for making Vivaldi after Opera changed so much.
Sincerely,
Claude//MODEDIT: threads merged
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Hello, @aayu, and welcome to our community!
This sounds very similar to this already requested feature: Dedicated Bookmarks Folder for Search Engines. I'd like to ask you to confirm whether it is indeed similar, and if not - how is it different (apart from using the clipboard). If there are not too many differences, then I believe we could merge these two into one.
