We're thinking about starting a @telegram group. Would you join it? π€
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@morg42 Vivaldi has a blog with an RSS feed. Additionally there is an RSS button on top of every forum topic and category page to get notified of new posts/topics. I think we got that covered. We also shouldn't forget that there is already a Vivaldi Discord channel.
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@luetage Wasn't aware of that - RSS seemed a more interoperable way of communicating information than telegram.
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@morg42 This just shows that most users won't bother with RSS. It's not an argument against Telegram. But yeah, you can already get in touch in many ways.
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The issue with using telegram as a platform for that is, telegram has inadequate support for channels so all discussions will take place in the same place and that is going to get messy very quickly since different people will want to discuss different things. As a platform that's just dedicated for "spreading news" telegram is fine, but anything more will be hard to manage in my experience once the member-base grows larger.
A more ideal platform for discussions (+news) would be Discord where, on your dedicated server (free), you can create channels for different topics e.g. "general", "q&a", "bug debugging", "new feature discussions", "off-topic" etc. There's an ability to assign roles that can be configured with different access rights (e.g. ability to see or not specific channels, ability to write or not in others etc). It has really extensive moderation tools, has bot support (just like Telegram) for automating news submissions, voice chat which could be pretty handy in some scenarios where texting wouldn't be suited and many other useful features.
Also worth mentioning that discord requires no account to start chatting (you can verify your email and create an account at a later time if you want) and has a full featured web version (just like Telegram) along with dedicated clients for all major platforms, desktop or mobile.
There's already a 3rd-party Vivaldi discord server where a couple of Vivaldi developers are active and it's been working out pretty well. It's a relatively small server at the moment but as already pointed out Discord has great tools for managing large communities so an official server like that would be able to scale well. Anyone feel free to join if you want and check out Discord itself at the same time: https://discord.gg/cs6bTDU
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I agree with @mtaki14 that a group would not be feasible because soon there would have billions of discussions one overlapping the other.
So the best options would be to have a Broadcast List instead, where nobody can comment or chat, it would be an alternative for RSS since most people don't use or have an RSS reader.
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Considering the Vivaldi philosophy of an open and standardized web, publicly embracing a closed plattform would in my opinion send the wrong Signal.
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@becm I don't think so.
They shouldn't use any social/IM to promote Vivaldi, then. While it - and we - need it.
If an user don't like/trust <insert platform here> will just follow the updates here.
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I am an absolute enemy of smartphone groups, although Telegram is something more drinkable than WhatsApp.
I think that on the one hand each in its corresponding crazy forum here, can form a group, can also be formed in a social network, such as G + where Vivaldi publishes his blogs, but curiously has not put any collection or group, weighing that G + It is ideal for this. Another possibility would be a decentralized network, like Mastodon or better, Diaspora, sites where it is accessed from a PC, for security and because there are already too many smombies in the streets, causing accidents.. -
@catweazle Whatsapp, Telegram, kik and the likes, all have apps for desktop. In the case of Telegram there is an unofficial web port which you can apparently use in a webpanel.
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@luetage said in We're thinking about starting a @telegram group. Would you join it? :
@catweazle Whatsapp, Telegram, kik and the likes, all have apps for desktop. In the case of Telegram there is an unofficial web port which you can apparently use in a webpanel.
Yes, but just like whatsapp you need an app on your mobile to have a client on your PC, that is, a phone number and I do not feel like it at all.
Well, everyone is free to sign up, but for me it is meaningless to have a social net on the mobile -
@mtaki14 I agree, Discord is a far better solution.
I guess you can call Discord the "modern IRC". It has channels, bots, user groups, moderation tools etc.
If they made their own Official Discord channel it would've been much more crowded and active than the unofficial one. -
@longlife said in We're thinking about starting a @telegram group. Would you join it? :
@mtaki14 I agree, Discord is a far better solution.
I guess you can call Discord the "modern IRC". It has channels, bots, user groups, moderation tools etc.
If they made their own Official Discord channel it would've been much more crowded and active than the unofficial one.Discord already have a Vivaldi Group
https://discordapp.com/channels/170121320825225218/170121320825225218
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@catweazle Yes, I know, but it's not official. It is not being promoted by Vivaldi anywhere.
There are no social icons/shortcuts anywhere on the https://vivaldi.com/ for that Discord server. -
@longlife I've put a link to it in the footer of the forum extension half a year ago
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Great idea. I would like to join to Telegram channel because this is very useful communication tool
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I wouldn't have problems with a Telegram group, I use the app and I think for a group better for managing than Whatsapp. And you can use on PC too without need syncing as Whatsapp need.
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@catweazle said in We're thinking about starting a @telegram group. Would you join it? :
Yes, but just like whatsapp you need an app on your mobile to have a client on your PC, that is, a phone number and I do not feel like it at all.
Well, everyone is free to sign up, but for me it is meaningless to have a social net on the mobileMaybe you're thinking of Signal, which depends on the mobile app? I didn't install Telegram mobile until over a year after I installed Telegram Desktop. It's not needed at all.
My favorite thing about Telegram is that it's not based on Electron, so it's like 10x smaller and much faster to load.
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I think Telegram is limited to 500 users!
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I don't think that using any app (e.g. telegram/whatsapp/signal/viber, etc.) that requires a phone number to register is a good thing.
App suggestion: RocketChat Server.Maybe we should explore other options and choose the best one.
A one that is open source and is oriented to privacy and respect for the users. I know that is tough to find such app. -
@rseiler said in We're thinking about starting a @telegram group. Would you join it? :
@catweazle said in We're thinking about starting a @telegram group. Would you join it? :
Yes, but just like whatsapp you need an app on your mobile to have a client on your PC, that is, a phone number and I do not feel like it at all.
Well, everyone is free to sign up, but for me it is meaningless to have a social net on the mobileMaybe you're thinking of Signal, which depends on the mobile app? I didn't install Telegram mobile until over a year after I installed Telegram Desktop. It's not needed at all.
My favorite thing about Telegram is that it's not based on Electron, so it's like 10x smaller and much faster to load.
Certainly Telegram does not need an app for Smartphone, but the phone number and I do not feel like it.
Discord is enough for me, where there is already a group of Vivaldi.