Vivaldi 1.9 – Plant trees as you browse

oppaidaisuki

@pesala: Thank you for your reply.Generally speaking,I want vivaldi to add the "multi-column display bookmark menu" function.I am happy if the official can accept my feedback.

oppaidaisuki

@an_dz: I see. Thank you very much for your answer٩(◕‿◕｡)۶

Pesala

@oppaidaisuki Vote for it in the Feature Requests thread.

@Pesala said in Feature requests for 1.9 / 1.10:

Bookmark Menu

oppaidaisuki

@ayespy: I really like this browser. I would like to ask the official has not considered to make bookmarks more intuitive, such as multi-column display bookmark menu.If the comment can take a screenshot can be more clearly expressed my meaning(=^.^=)

joss

Thank you for an updated version of this great browser.

Unfortunately, it still does not [as I have previously filed a bug report for] read in bookmarks from Opera 12.18 (x64), which is what I still use to maintain my master bookmark list until there is something else which is capable of doing that properly.

[I received the response earlier that the bookmarks.adr file has to be in a particular place, even though the vivaldi dialog box asks you to select the location manually, and so I made a copy of bookmarks.adr in that location, but that did not work either.]

joss

When I start to add this search engine, the chrome store tells me that it can:
• Read and change all your data on the web sites you visit
• Read and change your browsing history

ie. not just your search history with ecosia, but your browsing history.

Funny, if you look at the ecosia web site, you would think that somebody gets something for nothing. All you have to do is search, which you are doing anyway, using this web site, and voila! some money shows up to do a good deed. Another fine example of something for nothing! Who could be against that? And how is that possible?

It’s possible because personal data such as your web browsing is being harvested and sold.
Odd what passes for a good deed these days.

For an organization such as ecosia that clearly prides itself on good disclosure with, for example, [excessive] monthly disclosure of its financials, you would think that an upfront and full discussion of this would be in order.

Even if you turn off Personalized search results in the ecosia settings, “Please bear in mind that we still pass your IP address and other data to Bing in order to provide the search service.” Bing keeps your search history, attached to a unique identifier, for 18 months!

No thank you.

[and I think that it is inappropriate for Vivaldi to bundle this thing without a full and upfront disclosure about what is being harvested, by whom and stored for how long]

joss

@Gwen-Dragon said in Vivaldi 1.9 – Plant trees as you browse:

@joss said in Vivaldi 1.9 – Plant trees as you browse:

When I start to add this search engine, the chrome store tells me that it can:
• Read and change all your data on the web sites you visit
• Read and change your browsing history

Ecosia is not an App from Chrome Store!
What you tell is like False facts.

Ecosia has information about

Privacy info :
https://docs.google.com/a/ecosia.org/document/d/12gGIn3zdjWB_G-xThl_SQAh6xb8b7Kbrw3nUtPK6X4c/pub

TOS:
https://docs.google.com/a/ecosia.org/document/d/1x31-MsVMcl17dK3k80IRPxIj5ZKQEHZPXRhU01H_Xfw/pub

ecosia is [also] available to be set up as search engine in chrome or in vivaldi via the chrome store. What I wrote is a direct cut-and-paste from the message that appears when one does so.

What I wrote is accurate. You might want to actually check before accusing someone of a lie -- you're only hurting your own reputation.

xyzzy

@joss The point that @Gwen-Dragon was trying to stress was that offering (and using) Ecosia as a search option in Vivaldi is not the same as installing their extension.

Ecosia is also not being forced on anyone. You and everyone else are free to use the search engine of your choice, or none at all if you prefer.

joss

@xyzzy said in Vivaldi 1.9 – Plant trees as you browse:

@joss The point that @Gwen-Dragon was trying to stress was that offering (and using) Ecosia as a search option in Vivaldi is not the same as installing their extension.

The software that I referred to in the chrome store simply installs ecosia as a browser in chrome/vivaldi. Does Vivaldi have a separate arrangement with ecosia that when installed by vivaldi as a default that vivaldi users' data, such as browsing history, will not be communicated to bing and logged by them for 18 months?

I have not yet seen evidence of this. If that cannot be answered in the positive, then my post was entirely correct.

Ecosia is also not being forced on anyone. You and everyone else are free to use the search engine of your choice, or none at all if you prefer.

That is exactly my point. If ecosia does gather users' internet usage as the add-in search warns, even without explicitly employing ecosia for search, then my opinion is unchanged - it should not be installed in vivaldi as a default without upfront disclosure of this to users.

Ayespy

@joss: Ecosia is not able to receive any data from Vivaldi or Vivaldi users other than data generated by transactions directly involving use of the ecosia search engine. Neither is Bing. Bing can only receive data generated by transactions involving use of the Bing search engine.

There is no structure in the browser that allows third parties to collect data.

joss

@Gwen-Dragon said in Vivaldi 1.9 – Plant trees as you browse:

@joss said in Vivaldi 1.9 – Plant trees as you browse:

ecosia is [also] available to be set up as search engine in chrome or in vivaldi via the chrome store.

But your mentioned "Ecosia" is a downloadable extra extension and is not included or installed in Vivaldi!
We had several (now banned) posters here who wanted to tell users Ecoisa search enigine is some sort of Unwanted Program adding search engine. They did this to flame and to lower Vivaldi reputation.

Sorry, that i am concerned about users posting incorrect or incomplete information.

There you go again. My previous post in this topic, immediately above this thread, starts with: "Thank you for an updated version of this great browser."

Now you're implying that I am instead writing in order to malign vivaldi.

Accusations, accusations.

You might not have noticed that the subtitle of the entire vivaldi site is: "A browser for our friends".
How about acting towards other people on this site in a friendly manner?

xyzzy

@joss said in Vivaldi 1.9 – Plant trees as you browse:

That is exactly my point. If ecosia does gather users' internet usage as the add-in search warns, even without explicitly employing ecosia for search, then my opinion is unchanged - it should not be installed in vivaldi as a default without upfront disclosure of this to users.

No, I was not trying to make that point at all.

The search functions in Vivaldi are very simple. They don't have any of the sophistication or functionality that you think they have.

Ayespy

@joss: A former user posted a warning that using Ecosia exposed users to virus or Trojan-like activity. This is ill-informed or a deliberate lie, and evidently intended to hurt Vivaldi.

If a person wants to remain utterly anonymous on the web these days, the bare minimum is a vpn, the use of an anonymous search engine (none of the popular engines), refuse all cookies and java/flash use, and possibly even a strategy like TOR.

Short of that, if anyone is OK using Google, Blink, Yahoo, Dogpile or anything like that, then ecosia introduces LESS, not more, privacy concerns. I personally (not speaking for Vivaldi) am heartily sick and tired of all the "OMG, your data is being stolen!" paranoia and conspiracy theories proliferating on the web to make everyone convinced that if they don't clothe themselves in lead-lined tinfoil and employ (and buy) every anti-virus (the vendors of which harvest data from you) and anonymizing product and strategy available, that every search vendor, ISP, email service/client and government agency in the world is peering into your bedroom, reading everything you type, and selling your personal data to persons who are out to steal your soul. Real is real. There ARE real privacy and manipulation threats. But universal suspicion and paranoia, especially that which relies on magic to work, is counter-productive.

JuniorSilva30

People want privacy, I wonder what kind of user this is!
There is no privacy once you are connected to the internet!
Want privacy if you lock yourself in the room or in a cave and never leave!

NT45

I'm playing this video and there are so many droped frames...

Steffie

@JuniorSilva30 said in Vivaldi 1.9 – Plant trees as you browse:

Want privacy if you lock yourself in the room or in a cave and never leave!

Hey! Are you spying on me? That's exactly what i do; how'd you know? Rats, now i have to sweep my cave yet again for bugs & spycams, then hang up another aluminium curtain. Or maybe it's those nefarious bats & glow-worms; i thought they looked a bit dodgy.

xyzzy

@Steffie Dammit!! I knew it! I keep tellin' everybody about those bats and glow-worms but no one ever believes me!

An_dz

@joss @Gwen-Dragon: I'll interfere as this is becoming a silly fight coming from confusion and bad communication.

I'll address the points @joss makes.

First, the extensions. Ecosia does have a Firefox extension, this I can confirm, the extension does have some issues as reported by some users of the extension. I can't say if they do have a Chrome extension, but I did find one, but did not install it as I could not truly verify it was official. At least when I open Ecosia with Vivaldi I don't see any link pointing to such extension.

Even if such extension is official it's not installed by Vivaldi itself, you must do it willingly. Also Vivaldi is not encouraging you to install it. What Vivaldi is doing is that now, for some locales, Ecosia is the default search engine when you install it fresh - old profiles are not affected, in the future Vivaldi might add it as an option, but will never change your defaults - so when you search in the address or search fields it will use Ecosia - again, only with a fresh install, if you use a privacy oriented search you'll continue to use it, Ecosia is NOT INSTALLED in Vivaldi.

As such Vivaldi does not disclose any info to Ecosia, it merely makes a search using it, just like you would type ecosia.org and then search from their page. In this way Ecosia can obtain as much information as any other webpage can, but Vivaldi does not send anything to them. The only real thing is that the search has tt=vivaldi in the address so that they know it came from this partnership.

As for Bing retaining data, yes, the search through Ecosia goes through Bing and Bing might retain this data they receive from Ecosia, I don't know the details.

Another point to make is that nothing is changing in privacy terms, the previous defaults in most places was Bing, in others Yahoo, in some places it's still Bing or Yahoo, in most countries around Russia & Russia itself it's Yandex. And all of those operate very similar, and like Google they obtain the info for ads and customising search.

Also, if you find offensive about a possible data collection from an Ecosia extension, it's just an extension. Google has a browser and two Operating Systems to do that, but remember kids, only Microsoft Windows 10 is the evil monopolist OS that collects data.

-- Edit --
And another thing I forgot:

Q. Is Ecosia non-profit?

A. NO, they are for profit, just like Bing, Google, Yahoo, Yandex, etc.

"OMG, let's burn them alive!"

HOLD! Step back a moment, yes, they are for profit and work like the above search engines, BUT 80% of their profit is donated to reforestation projects, all the other engines donate 0% to reforestation projects. Now the choice is up to the user.

Folgore101

@An_dz
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This thing is becoming like witch hunt.

joss

@Ayespy said in Vivaldi 1.9 – Plant trees as you browse:

@joss: Ecosia is not able to receive any data from Vivaldi or Vivaldi users other than data generated by transactions directly involving use of the ecosia search engine. Neither is Bing. Bing can only receive data generated by transactions involving use of the Bing search engine.

There is no structure in the browser that allows third parties to collect data.

So the search engine handling code in vivaldi is different than that of chrome?
In chrome, ecosia and microsoft can access the users' search history and browsing history.