Freeze? enter quick command field
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@rseiler said in Freeze? enter quick command field:
This makes a lot of sense to me since I'm puzzled why anyone would go there for bookmarks in the first place. If you want to search for bookmarks, there's an address bar and a sidebar, neither of which, come to think of it, has this bottleneck.
Yes, exactly what I was thinking. The bookmark panel is dedicated to bookmarks and processes searches very quickly. I wonder why Quick Search chokes on them? For me the bookmarks are surely the problem because when I rename my bookmark file and run Vivaldi searching in Quick Search is fast even though I have history set to a long time. I hope this can get sorted out because QS is a nice feature.
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@rseiler I use quick commands to open new tabs with bookmarked pages using their nicknames. It's way much faster than using the address bar, not to mention the bookmarks panel, which requires even more clicks/key presses. But as I said before, I have absolutely no lag when using the quick commands menu and thus for me it's the most convenient tool for reaching out to my bookmarks.
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@pafflick I didn't realize they only worked there and not the bookmarks panel, but how does getting to the bookmarks panel require more key presses than getting to Quick Commands?
If you don't show a slowdown in Quick Commands, you just don't have enough bookmarks to have made it over the threshold. Import some more.
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@rseiler said in Freeze? enter quick command field:
I didn't realize they only worked there and not the bookmarks panel, but how does getting to the bookmarks panel require more key presses than getting to Quick Commands?
I haven't said anything about something not working in the bookmarks panel, but here you go with the "required clicks/key presses" comparison:
Bookmarks Panel:
- Open the panel (
[F6]
); - Focus the search input in order to find the bookmark by its nickname (I just tried that and it doesn't even work, but let's assume it does) or search for it manually;
- Go to the bookmark;
- Close the panel.
Quick Commands:
- Open the menu (
[F2]
); - Type in the bookmark's nickname. That's it.
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@rseiler said in Freeze? enter quick command field:
If you don't show a slowdown in Quick Commands, you just don't have enough bookmarks to have made it over the threshold. Import some more.
I just tried it with 1100-1200 bookmarks and the delay (while typing) increased to about 200-500 ms at few points (which is still barely noticeable), but nothing froze whatsoever. But why should I have more bookmarks if I don't need that many in the first place?
- Open the panel (
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@pafflick It's not a permanent freeze but a very noticeable lag as you see the CPU spike. It's not just once, either. If you change the query, hit Backspace, whatever, it continues. I don't know why yours is only a half-second.
I suggested that you do this to learn more about why this is happening for the rest of us. Perhaps there's some other variable, but bookmarks are definitely involved. I don't really know what the threshold is since I don't know of a place where Vivaldi provides an overall count.
If they can be made optional in Quick Commands it would work around it. I imagine using bookmark shortcuts in Quick Commands is pretty niche anyway (surely most people just start typing in the address bar, where sites tend to appear very quickly with no need for a shortcut), but optional would serve both sides.
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@rseiler said in Freeze? enter quick command field:
but bookmarks are definitely involved.
They surely are. I proved it to myself with my test (below). I'm confident the issue is how many bookmarks before the problem occurs. People with more than n bookmarks will have the issue.
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@rseiler For sure it depends on the total amount of bookmarks you have AND the performance capabilities of your machine (CPU & hard disk - SSD or HDD - are the most notable factors here). Basically, you're asking for more configuration options - which will (& should) come anyway because everyone has different needs. For some people excluding bookmarks from the QC menu would improve the overall performance of the browser. For me, it would be a deal-breaker, since I don't need (currently) more than 300 bookmarks and even if I needed triple as many, I would be still able to use the QC flawlessly on my PC.
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I had the same problems in the beginning. I removed my imported bookmarks, almost all of them, apart from a few I really needed, and that solved everything for me. It may seem like you have just a few bookmarks, but if you are a browser-switcher like me, bookmarks hide deep in subfolders everywhere and it's best to clean house. Is this optimal? No, of course not, we should be able to use quick commands with a lot of bookmarks, but it isn't the biggest problem. Who uses bookmarks in 2017 anyway? Much faster to do a search with quick commands or search bar. Delete your bookmarks and use it.
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@Werkaster said in Freeze? enter quick command field:
Who uses bookmarks in 2017 anyway?
Lots of people.
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@Werkaster said in Freeze? enter quick command field:
Delete your bookmarks and use it.
Sometimes finding a website is difficult. It may not be found via search but at the end of a long trail of web links. This is why bookmarks are needed.
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Sometimes finding a website is difficult. It may not be found via search but at the end of a long trail of web links. This is why bookmarks are needed.
Yes, though maybe there's some merit in this idea about simply not using bookmarks anymore in order to fix another problem. After all, Steve Jobs once told us that our reception sucked because we were holding our phones wrong, and darned if he wasn't right.
Actually, I find Vivaldi to be at its best when I'm just imagining running it, not actually running it. It's quite brilliant that way in every respect, including many features that aren't even there in reality, so that's what I recommend for everyone going forward.
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@rseiler LOL
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I've copied my Vivaldi profile onto my Tablet recently and I had the chance to test the Quick Commands on a low-end device (Intel Atom Z3735F @ 1.33 GHz, 2GB RAM). I've tried with the bookmarks that I have currently (a little over 250) and the Quick Commands menu tends to freeze for about ~1 second, but I'm able to finish typing (even though the letters don't appear) and after I'm done the bookmarked page is opened. The browser itself didn't hang or crash so far.
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@dLeon said in Freeze? enter quick command field:
@izacks
Yes that happen. You have a lot of bookmarks?
I complained the same thing. For me it even automatically restart Vivaldi.Because I see you're in stable, you may try my trick with quick command;
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/13428/quick-command-trickIt seem fix in latest 1.7.x.x snapshot. Still slow though.
@dLeon Good to know. I also found out that a leading space character will also work for your trick. That's a good thing, because you don't need to delete it afterwards. Just hit Enter and it goes. (If it works for you, maybe you should update your trick link). Thanks.
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After experimentation I found some more info:
At least in my case, the freeze doesn't happen when you type into it with the language which is chosen for your browser interface. I.e., my browser is set to Russian and Quick Command doesn't make the browser freeze when I type into it in Russian, but English text makes it freeze.
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1.10.856.16 snapshot:
[Quick Commands] Typing gets increasingly slow with a big set of bookmarks (VB-7463) -
@rseiler Yes, fixed for me (on Linux) in latest snapshot.
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@Rammix Not seeing that here with any letter, and I was definitely one of the ones who found the feature completely unusable before this build.
My only guess is that there's yet another bookmark number threshold, a higher one than before, and you're over it and I'm not. Since there's no way to count the number of bookmarks, that will be tough to know.
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@rseiler It's simpler: I was on the stable branch. Noticed too late. Sorry.
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