Snapshot 1.0.375.3 - Over fifty further fixes and improvements
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When I start Vivaldi on ubuntu (14.04) I get two times the following line on stdout:
[18651:18651:0120/230438:ERROR:logging.h(808)] Failed to call method: org.freedesktop.DBus.ObjectManager.GetManagedObjects: object_path= /: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "GetManagedObjects" with signature "" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.ObjectManager" doesn't exist
Don't know if that means anything, Vivaldi runs "within acceptable parameters" otherwise. -
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I'll prepare some comparsion videos later.
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Because most of the times I close my tabs with MMB, and somehow I click the border a lot, which causes thumbnails to show. And this is slow effect (as said before) and I have to move my mouse to the border again to hide thumbnails. Blocking this may not be most useful feature, but it saves that "arghhh, not again" effect I'm encountering every day while working with Vivaldi. And well.. Opera had it.
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I know, but I'd have to remove all shortcuts to be sure.
First 6) [whoops] - Opera did not change it. AFAIR I attached a movie to bug report - it was from Opera 12, not 15+. I hope you'll fix that, as Chromium is the only app I see this behavior so I'd say it's actually breaking "standard" behavior anyway.
- Well. I'm not sure. I'm so used to this bug I ignore it most of the times so I just don't know. I'm clearing history from time to time, but always just
"Browsing history" (1st item) and "Images and cached files" (4th item) BUT from last hour only. I did it now and it did NOT cleared my only visible speed dial item (which I added 2 days ago, while other thumbnails was empty). I'll take a closer look into this and if I find something - I'll tell you.
Thanks for the info, too bad some won't make it to the final/"stable" as I'd call them final-stopper.
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Here you go buddy : Vivaldi's GUI Slow as a Snail and NOT Snappy
not to mention that I've pointed out this problem many times before… like here…
So, I watched your video and then set about to try to find among my machines, one which responded as slowly with Vivaldi as your video demonstrates. I couldn't find one. The slowest, and still not as slow as your video, is my old 2007 Sony Vaio NR120E. It's got an Intel dual-core 32-bit processor running at 1.46 GHz, a 5400 RPM HDD, and 2 GB of DDR2-533/PC2-4200 RAM.
As I say, even with those rather anemic specs, it is faster with Vivaldi than your video.
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@wojcieche: yup! this is my recording… and I have made others if you're interested but they're all like the one above... disabling Tab Animations does nothing... Tab Creation takes a long time (just like in the movie) and closing tabs takes nearly the same (again just like in the movie)... and I have filed many reports regarding the GUI...
I've tried the GUI with many different PCs and Laptops...
what you just saw was from a Celeron PC + 4GB RAM... Opera or Chrome don't even have this kind of lag...
On my High-end Gaming Laptop, things are better but since I've played with the browser in many different Computers, I know that it is inefficiently rendering the GUI and wasting resources...
although on the Gaming Laptop there aren't lags as bad as I had on the Celeron, but Tab Creation and removal just show how slow Vivaldi is deep inside...
Just hold "Ctrl + T" for a few seconds to see what happens to the browser... closing tabs with "Ctrl + W" may feel fast but it is yet slower that Opera and Chrome...
the truth is, Vivaldi's GUI isn't Snappy and Snappy is what I personally need for my fast browsing style... Vivaldi is slow to respond to user actions and it hopes that the vast majority of casual users won't notice the difference between it's GUI speed and other browsers...
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On my 3-year-old desktop tower, all of the operations shown in the video are instant - no visible lag whatever. It's 6-core AMD @ 3.5 GHz with 10 GB of PC3 12800 (DDR3-1600) RAM and a 7200 RPM HDD.
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how do you know which one is most recet? higher PID != more recent process
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You're making me doubt that Celeron System… I'm gonna have to find a duplicate and check that too...
Nevertheless the Celeron is the worst case scenario... my usual system doesn't have lags like the Celeron but since I'm using Opera and Vivaldi alongside each other, I can instantly tell that Opera is an order of magnitude snappier than Vivaldi in cases like:
1. Tab creation
2. Toggling the Panel
3. catching events like Shortcutsalso the problem where shortcuts stop responding until the page is fully loaded still remains which really is becoming a showstopper (literally !) when trying to change to another tab or create a new tab while the current tab is loading...
no matter what fixes Vivaldi receives, something is always fishy about the GUI... as if it's emulated and not really there (I don't know how to put this)...
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by the way, can we get a shortcut for "Insert Selection as a new Note" ? in Old Opera it used to be "Ctrl + Shift + C" but since this shortcut is now used for element selection in developer tools I guess you're going to have to find another easily reachable shortcut (how about "Ctrl + Shift + D" ?)
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JFYI: My machine has the same sort of specs (although it's 1.6GHz and 7200rpm) as your Sony and its performance is the same as that which neltherion's posted in his video.
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That's because of embedded videos, most likely, which is an Achilles' heel not only for Vivaldi, but for other recent versions of Chromium-based browsers as well. It's being worked on.
Oh good. I haven't seen a video in FB or Twitter for quite some time now. It's starting to get irritating. What's even more irritating is that they all play in Chrome itself.
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still hoping for an option 'click to load & play videos' - some sites are meanwhile unusable, because they don't care about the bandwith of some users.
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2 - I find the URL autocomplete a bit off. I think in Opera 12 it would favour autocompleting to the parent URL. Usually, when I start typing, say, amazon.com, I want to go to the amazon home page. Vivaldi tends to pick up something from history or bookmarks and I would end up at a product. I think in Opera 12, if I start typing amazon.com it would autocomplete to amazon.com, and would not autocomplete to something deeper until I typed the /. To me, that seems more logical, but every user is different.
3 - This one is minor, but I'd love to have mouse flip forward (hold left-click then right-click) to have the Fast Forward function, like in Opera 12.
I am really missing the fast forward gestures that i still use in Opera 12.17 to read through news pages.
Read, scroll, way faster than searching for the "Next" button. Clicking on Fast Forward works, but totally screws "the workflow"I had the problem with autocomplete in the past but i tested now - works for me (as long as i stop before adding a "/" if i add a "/" it picks some strange history page
And bring back M2/3/4 email and RSS.. i loved that
I had problems (last version) with Tab-Preview-Pictures being not drawn, or taking wrong picture (e.g. from a tab next to it/formerly closed) - but this happens on a rather slow laptop only. On my worksation i manage to mess with preview thumbs so that they don't show anything, can't figure out how to reproduce, but may have to to with switching tabs while page has not yet loaded completly.
2.nd Edit: Rapid opening of 10 new Tabs switching to other left me with a couple of tabs where a thumb is not created/updated even when i switch to the (completley) loaded tab.
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Yeah, for me, Vivaldi UI is also not very qucik. Tab creation, tab closing takes some time. I'm using V as second browser for long but not very often. GUI still appears to me like a big animal. Every action is accompanied by high disk usage. Icon is not blinking but lighting.
I'm afraid that too much can't be done with UI speed because of its way how its done or how to say. Rendering some picture on main window. Just try to resize Vivaldi window. You can see in background original window and then on top of it Vivaldi rendered. I dont know how is written current Opera, but for me, like it is in pure WinAPI. UI is superfast and not hardware hungry. One PC is desktop AMD FX 4100 8GB ram, second laptop Core i5 4GB ram.
Can you disclose in which language is V written?
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Please add an option to have close button on tabs always visible.
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I just found an issue with this one - extension icons appear blurry.
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I was also testing the performance a little bit and I encountered a strange behavior. Don't know if I'm imagining it or if it's really possible, but initially toggling the panel, which I've got docked on the right side of the browser, was pretty juddery. After switching it to the left for testing purposes, I felt that the animation was much more fluid. I thought it had something to do with the way the renderer works and that it may be more efficient in shifting it's content to the right than to the left.
After switching the panel back the right though, the performance was still pretty fluid. Not at all as juddery as it was before changing the settings.
Is it possible, that changing the settings is recompiling the panel or something, which lead to an increase in performance?PS:
Oh and just to be clear. The performance is still pretty bad. It's not unacceptable bad anymore.UPDATE:
Hmm. After further testing I'm pretty sure i was just imagining a performance increase were actually there wasn't none. Since i have no real measurements to go with and this is all based on subjective feelings I could be totally wrong here. It's highly likely actually. -
Lets hope that the number of likes this post has received (as did others related to performance issues) will be an indication of the severity of the issue and developers will act accordingly.
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Thanks for the snapshot!
I've been trying Vivaldi since one of the earlier snapshots, but one thing consistently does not work for me is bookmarks. When I create a bookmark, I cannot see it although the little bookmark icon to the right of the URL box shows a green/blue color. When I then restart Vivaldi, then I see it. I've tried to remove the Vivaldi configuration folder to start fresh for this snapshot, but it still doesn't work properly. If I use the same bookmarks file with Chromium, it works like a treat.
I'm running Arch Linux 64-bit btw.
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i decided to record the difference between opera and vivaldi ui smoothness and i discovered that with empty profile vivaldi performs much better (but still lags sometime).
i managed to get it slower after re-opening the same tabs i have in my main vivaldi installation, but it was still a little bit faster. probably installing extensions, setting speed dials, storing some cache, cookies, passwords, history, search engines etc - would make empty profile as slow as main profile
i recorded experiment with holding ctrl+t and here are the results: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/lsbppzg7iaj421u/2016-01-21_15-07-04.mp4?dl=0
(don't mind the other vivaldi window - it's my main profile from different location, it didn't affect the experiment (i tested it few times), just forgot to close it)
here is 2nd experiment with processor speed capped to 25%
i tested two things:- ui responsiveness test (by opening/closing some sidebar)
- 4 new tabs opening at once
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/eso0kucgawo3f74/2016-01-21_15-47-13.mp4?dl=0
looks like the main problem of vivaldi is that drawing UI doesn't have, idk, a separate process from anything else vivaldi is doing ?
i did not record not-extreme tests like showing/hiding sidebar with full processor speed, as it performs around 15fps in vivaldi, which is my video recorder frame rate anyway so you won't notice that opera has smooth 60fps there
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New Bugs (Viv 64, Win 7)
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When I start up, the page zoom for all tabs has been reset to 80%, which might be because it is my interface zoom setting.
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When deleting cookies, if I filter the cookie list, the filter resets to null after each deletion operation.
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