Zero Tolerance with users who violate forum rules

[ingolftopf]

@barbudo2005
I think you could ask readers to make a statement here.

But we also have the 'Mastodon' Vivaldi instance.

You could start a "real poll" there.

Of course, none of this can be representative.

But it would give a small picture of opinions.

[Catweazle]

@ingolftopf, I think it would be counterproductive to be too strict, this only creates an oppressive atmosphere in the forum, but I do agree to ban users who continue their rudeness after 2-3 warnings from the moderation.

[ingolftopf]

@barbudo2005 said in Zero Tolerance with users who violate forum rules:

We are talking about stubborn people.

Yes,
and you can also reach them sometimes, sometimes more often.

Like for example @PATHDUCK, one of our good moderators, often does it here.

[barbudo2005]

@ingolftopf

Said:

Like for example @PATHDUCK, one of our good moderators, often does it here.

Please, a little more respect. How are you going to compare @pathduck to these characters!!!!

I've always agreed with the tone he uses in his "harsher" comments. Are we children to be treated with "affection" when you say stupid things?

[Catweazle]

@ingolftopf, @Pathduck does a good job, as a normal user I can only report bad behavior to make the moderators' job easier. I don't think that a PM from a normal user to these subjects will make much sense, other than receiving more insults in response, this is the staff's job. to send a warning with strike 1, 2, 3 before pressing the button with the

[WildEnte]

@barbudo2005 said in Zero Tolerance with users who violate forum rules:

Please, a little more respect. How are you going to compare @pathduck to these characters!!!!

Calm down please :-). @ingolftopf said that @Pathduck was a good moderator who is able to reach stubborn people and get them to behave.

4 exclamation marks tell me that we need to get everyone's blood pressure down. It's good to disagree, otherwise discussions would have no point

[barbudo2005]

@WildEnte

I am calm. Clearly I misunderstood what @ingolftopf meant.

[Ayespy]

@barbudo2005 Zero Tolerance is not Vivaldi's policy and I don't think it ever will be.

We want the community to be welcoming, and part of that is tolerance for how people express themselves, within reason.

When it becomes clear that the person is not just emotional or exhibiting poor self-control, but is actually malicious, or totally fine with (or actually prefers) causing others grief, then we warn/caution, then probably ban for a limited time, then ban forever, if the destructive participation continues. Sometimes, several of us will even discuss with each other and a community admin whether a ban is justified, because we don't want people to feel treated unjustly, nor do we want others to feel intimidated or oppressed by rigid and unforgiving standards.

Moderators are given guidance from community admins not to overreact nor to give the strictest penalty for the mildest offense. If a user feels they have to vent, we don't kick them out for that - even if they say unkind things about Vivaldi, Devs or whatever - especially if they rein it in, and apologize for having gone overboard.

[barbudo2005]

@Ayespy

Ok. I will not mention the subject any further.

[RiveDroite]

@Ayespy yes, and it works better this way

[ybjrepnfr]

drats, it would have been quite delicious to have been able to know who the villain is/was, for without that important context, this thread is hard to follow.

[Ayespy]

@ybjrepnfr There are a couple of candidates. None were mentioned in the thread at any time.

[ybjrepnfr]

@Ayespy said in Zero Tolerance with users who violate forum rules:

None were mentioned in the thread at any time

kinda sorta my entire point.

[luetage]

@ybjrepnfr You’re the villain. It’s awkward you are posting here when we are discussing your case. Read the room

[Ayespy]

@luetage /sarcasm

[sphera]

Interestingly, all participants automatically signed themselves up as judges capable of deciding the fate of others. I stopped writing meaningful detailed posts. Moderators, thank you - this is your merit (I have fulfilled the norm of thanks for today). I recently watched the topic -- I know the answer approximately. But why would I write something, help (I have already done this), if @Pathduck comes and deletes my answer. This post will be deleted by @Ayespy (by making a judicial sole decision and violating the rights of other judges to familiarize themselves with it).
There are people among the moderators who do not distinguish bits from bytes, but they have a blue tag and a red button and a 100% ambition that they are the judges, and everyone else is their flock, which they can herd, educate, and change its number. And they probably got these color privileges on the principle of "who came first".
@barbudo2005 calls for the destruction of all dubious individuals abruptly, without warning, preferably with beheading. But judging by the fact that no names or crimes are mentioned here, the judges themselves are in chains of their own limitations. I think I think @barbudo2005 suggests deleting people "politely" without telling them about it, and without violating their right to be polite.
There are no other programming languages on the Vivaldi forum except "politeness". It is she who has the highest punitive power.
By the way, I started using a microphone, so I don't suffer so much from deleting my useful information from the forum. But usually no useful information appears after me.
I cannot support the policy of total absolute concealment of everything. Therefore, I'm sorry, but today, in this topic, with names. I signed my name -- @sphera.
You can see me, and not just fictional nicknames, in the profile: <- – this is my photo.
Your politeness takes some kind of comic hypertrophied forms - you can't even mention the invented nicknames of moderators who don't relate to a person personally at all. Icons in the church can be touched, but the nicknames of the moderators are not.
Note that my post did not offend anyone, it does not concern politics (and I am interested in its fate and the continuation of a stalled topic). Only my statements are not always pleasant for everyone.
You opened this topic yourself.
I am being watched by 3 Ambassadors -- @RiveDroite, @Thot, @ingolftopf (they informed me about it themselves). Great, they took on the role of forum controllers. Commendable care. This will eventually allow the browser to get better.
Their nicknames (not names!) they are an invitation to a conversation. This topic is an excellent platform for discussion, making specific claims and justifications. And maybe, equally, getting a reward for your contribution to the development of the browser.
Correction -- Ambassadors are watching me. I don't follow them.
Of course not. You never know what facts and nonsense will come up in the process of an equal, not correspondence conversation. You should always judge in secret - it's so safe for yourself. Is everything correct?
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Where, who , and what exactly are you going to execute ? Would you like to call them and give them the words ?
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Here is another reason to make the Vivaldi forum better. I already have a minimum 2 of a suggestion about this, based on a pure HTML)

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[ingolftopf]

The idea of an "troll army" doesn't seem so far-fetched to me.
This kind of spam has been popping up in forums and in some open source messengers for some time now.
Always following the same pattern.

I think it's good and right to deal with these things openly and transparently.

People who behave like this should know that it's not just the Vivaldi team and moderators who talk about it, but also "normal" users.
And not just only behind closed doors.

As I said, the better known and more popular Vivaldi becomes, the more we will have to deal with these things.

[Ricarda]

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[TheQuantumAlpha]

@WildEnte Indeed, i have seen some people speak a certain politic without repercussion whatsoever, but the opposite politic gets punitive actions.

I want none of them to be banned or oppressed.

I have also seen people expressing their disregard to certain features or ideas, often in less tempered way, but completely justifiable.

I also don't want them to be banned.

I believe in freedom of expression, freedom of speech whereas it is your responsibility to block your ear and cover your eyes if you don't want to hear or see something, but not removing someone else's freedom and free will for your own personal satisfaction.

Observing on many social medias had led me to the conclusion that only a fringe, minimal minority are the most vocal and aggressive with their own personal ideas and opinions. They are often pushing new rules to the platform that will satisfy their desire to have their own personal opinions to stand out, to the detriment of other's enjoyment of the platforms.

I don't believe that a "infraction = bannishment" approach is adequate, as everyone here is human and have their moment, often gray, often bright.

[Catweazle]

@TheQuantumAlpha, agree, the clue isn't to censor the opinion justified against Vivaldi, which everybody can have, but the lack of education and respect to other users and the team. The perfect browser for everybody don't exist, it can exist only on individual level and Vivaldi isn't an exception, it also lacks features which some user need and claiming and discussing this in an objective and respectfull way never can and will be censored, but insulting and calling inept those who only want to help solve an issue.