Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.
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@janrif Also, considering you are quite active on the forum but still want to use snapshots, there is not a really need of keeping the automatic updates enabled so you can get some feedback on the forum before updating.
And yes, standalone might be less affected from some specific issues having a smaller footprint on windows registry and system protected paths
Personally, I mostly update only to standalone RCs on the main machine.
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@yngve said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...but now I am back after some fixes.:
@janrif said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...but now I am back after some fixes.:
I see 2 versions which is the latest that is listed, with the same number but different sizes
Those builds are the 64-bit version (.x64 suffix), the 32-bit version (no suffix), and the Windows Arm64 version (.arm64 suffix). The archive list everything for the various Windows variants, and one need to know what one is going to fetch.
Also .24 is NOT the latest version (the archive does not list the latest), that is currently .26 which is downloaded from the download link (and would be downloaded and installed by the autoupdate for stable), and which automatically selects the right platform version.
Great information. I've learned a lot in this thread. Thanks for clarifying. Have a nice wknd.
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@janrif said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
@RasheedHolland You inspired me to try one last time so, I deleted all Vivaldi references in the registry and tried -- again -- to install v6.7 and, Vivaldi immediately crashed. So, with your suggestion in mind, I installed a stand alone Vivaldi v6.6 and Vivaldi held so I'm up and running again. Let's see how long this lasts.
I see you already saw my other post. But this is indeed a good way to simply install two Vivaldi versions, one that you never update and the other one that you can keep updating, and in case of problems, you temporarily switchback to the older version that works correctly. Security problems of older browsers are overblown, if you don't want to rely solely on your AV, you can also use so called anti-exploit tools like OSArmor or Malwarebytes Anti-Exploit, the latter is freeware.
https://www.osarmor.com
https://forums.malwarebytes.com/forum/126-anti-exploit-beta/@yngve said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
One case in which we have seen that, we think was fixed in one of the minor updates of 6.6, probably due to security software being overzealous.
Can you take a look at this post please. Thanks in advance.
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@RasheedHolland said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
Can you take a look at this post please
Sorry, both of those are deep into the UI code, well outside what I work on.
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@yngve said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
@RasheedHolland said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
Can you take a look at this post please
Sorry, both of those are deep into the UI code, well outside what I work on.
OK thanks for the reply, so you won't be able to fix it yourself. But perhaps you can at least bring this to the attention to other developers, since no one is actively working on solving these bugs. I believe it shouldn't be hard to fix.
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@RasheedHolland AFAICT there have been problems reproducing; one was tested yesterday, and could not reproduce.
That sometimes mean that the problem has gone away, fixed by something else, or that details of how to reproduce are missing or misunderstood, which is why I generally recommend
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when practical, preferably with configuration details.
An example of the missing detail scenario happened earlier this week when one reporter provided information that let us discover more about what happened (which was missing in several reports about the issue), deduce a possible source vector, and confirm that the vector was being used; we still haven't tested with that, due to vacations.
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@yngve said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
@RasheedHolland AFAICT there have been problems reproducing; one was tested yesterday, and could not reproduce.
That sometimes mean that the problem has gone away, fixed by something else, or that details of how to reproduce are missing or misunderstood, which is why I generally recommend
Wow, very weird that you guys couldn't reproduce it. But should I open a new bugreport, or can I modify the existing one (and how to do this) or should I simply respond to the emails that I received from the Vivaldi team?
Actually, VB-102809 was confirmed by you guys, so I assume they were able to reproduce it, and I was told it would be fixed soon, yet it's still present in the newest 6.7 version (no snaphot).
And what is there to understand or reproduce about VB-102766? You guys simply forgot to add a mouse gesture for this specific command. Even worse, I don't know if it's because of changes made in 6.7, but now the Otto Tabs extension is broken, so it would be cool if you simply implemented this feature in Vivaldi, with that I mean: automatic tab stacking by host.
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/otto-tabs/pjgajilkdijnbfmglfbpnenocpajmdlb
And finally, there is another annoying bug (VB-102765) related to nicknames in the addressbar, according to DoctorG, it will be fixed on coming Sunday. I don't know if you can verify this.
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@yngve said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
@RasheedHolland AFAICT there have been problems reproducing; one was tested yesterday, and could not reproduce.
BTW, regarding VB-102809, I have also been in contact with JaneN, I don't know if you know her, she's on the Vivaldi team. I described the problem in detail on the Wilders Security Forum (and also in the bugreport), see:
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@RasheedHolland said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
should I simply respond to the emails that I received from the Vivaldi team?
Yes, you should.
As I said above, our testers may have missed a step (or configuration) that is so obvious to the reporter that they never thought to mention it in the report, or there is a misunderstanding, or the problem occurs on one platform, and not another. (And keep in mind that testers frequently use clean, default profiles when testing; no extensions, no changes to the settings, on their OS, which may be Mac, Linux, or Windows, so if any of those are needed: Tell us.)
BTW, @jane-n is one of the main Vivaldi moderators here in the forums, so yes, I know her.
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@RasheedHolland said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
VB-102809
Yes, bug still unfixed. I tested and updated bug tracker for latest internal 6.8 dev version.
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@yngve said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
@RasheedHolland said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
should I simply respond to the emails that I received from the Vivaldi team?
Yes, you should.
As I said above, our testers may have missed a step (or configuration) that is so obvious to the reporter that they never thought to mention it in the report, or there is a misunderstanding, or the problem occurs on one platform, and not another. (And keep in mind that testers frequently use clean, default profiles when testing; no extensions, no changes to the settings, on their OS, which may be Mac, Linux, or Windows, so if any of those are needed: Tell us.)
BTW, @jane-n is one of the main Vivaldi moderators here in the forums, so yes, I know her.
OK cool. I think I responded to some of the emails, but I didn't get any reply. Also, I don't think that any of these bugs are caused by third party factors like extensions. It's just a matter of assigning some developer to fix these bugs. And yes, JaneN is very helpful, she always try to respond to questions on WSF, even if it's weeks later, I appreciate this.
@DoctorG said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
@RasheedHolland said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
VB-102809
Yes, bug still unfixed. I tested and updated bug tracker for latest internal 6.8 dev version.
Yes, I was afraid for this, thanks for updating the bugreport.
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@RasheedHolland said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
I think I responded to some of the emails, but I didn't get any reply.
Speaking generally:
Unless we need more specific information we don't send or reply to emails; although there can e.g. be quick emails confirming reproduction, or asking for crashdumps.
If you think about it, you will realize that the testers cannot spend too long on average considering each report (given that there are hundreds of new ones each week; 15 mins each means max 150 a week per employee tester), which is why well-formulated, organized, and easy to reproduce reports are more likely to be acted on, than much shorter reports that does not have many details. Additionally, each email tailored to a report will usually take several minutes, perhaps more, depending on the complexity, so sending an email means that we think it is urgent to get an answer.
If a bug is fixed, and listed in the changelog, an email will be automatically sent for the reporters of that bug and any duplicates.
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@yngve
Hello,
Thank you for joining us again.As I've said before, I really appreciate your contributions.
Thank you very much
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@janrif
Hello,
I was a bit shocked when I read your headline.But, all good, you're here again.
Please allow me a comment.
I think you've been using Windows for several decades.
Maybe it's time for you to think about switching to Linux.Vivaldi, like the old Opera, has always been developed for Linux from the beginning.
Perhaps your little trip to Edge has shown you once again what you have in Vivaldi.
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@ingolftopf said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
Please allow me a comment.
I think you've been using Windows for several decades.
Maybe it's time for you to think about switching to Linux.@ingolftopf Thanks for the suggestion as I'm always interested in learning new things. You are right; I have been using Windows for (many) years. I'm a tinkerer by nature but to change OS at my age would be a disaster. I used to mess around in DOS but that's it.
It is said you can't teach an old dogs new tricks. I'm not convinced that's true but, in my case, it's definitely true.
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@janrif Some habits should be discarded. Exploring new things keeps the mind young, doesn't it? And ultimately the body too. Isn't standing still a step backwards?
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@Dancer18 said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
Isn't standing still a step backwards?
Not always but I take your point, overall. Now, back to Vivaldi.
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@janrif (humming)
You can check out any time you like,
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@janrif said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
@Dancer18 said in Sadly, I will be leaving Vivaldi...BUT NOW I'm back after some fixes.:
Isn't standing still a step backwards?
Not always but I take your point, overall. Now, back to Vivaldi.
Welcome back.
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