Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you
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@aplan said in Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you:
Crypto has been existed for 10 years. And not going to die
Considering I have mined Bitcoin about 15 years ago, longer actually. And all the time not a single use case found that actually improves society. Strong contender.
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@viljay said in Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you:
Considering I have mined Bitcoin about 15 years ago, longer actually. And all the time not a single use case found that actually improves society. Strong contender.
Considering I have used Email about 15 years ago, longer actually. And all the time not a single use case found that actually improves society. Just a lot of spam. Strong contender.
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@julien_picalausa Thank you for engaging with us in this user forum! I almost never see Vivaldi developers here at all.
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@viljay That's highly improbable. The first successful cryptocurrency, Bitcoin, is barely 15 years old and back then, only a handful of people even knew about it let alone mined it. CSW just got exposed. Please don't tell me you're Satoshi Nakamoto!
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@Gerizineink, @aplan, what the user need? How can Vivaldi know which AI function a user need? (Chat? summarize?research?gaming? design? developement?........Currently there are more than 7000 different AI apps, services, extensions, for every kind of tasks out there. It's absurd to put, yes or yes, an mainstream chatgpt or similar in Vivaldi, only because Google, MS or Mozilla also do it, more for commercial reasons as for real need, with bad consecuences as we had seen some days ago with Google AI..
As said above, if you need an AI, look in Future Tools, Futurepedia, Hugging Face or even direct in the Chrome Store to install or use AIs which really fits your needs
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@Catweazle You can use various marketing strategies or simple surveys among users to find out what they need. About the fact that there is a lot of AI, yes. But we should not forget that many of them are still "dumb" and cannot cope with many tasks.
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@Gerizineink, it's not the cuestion which AI 40% of the users need, it's the cuestion which specific AI every user may need, due to the great differences between the existing AI functions. Not the same for a company, a student, artist, musician or developer...ter don't exist an allround AI tool for all of these. Even as a simple user, if I want to use AI, I have to use half a dozen of them to be able to satisfy the task at this moment.
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@Catweazle said in Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you:
What do you propose, that Vivaldi incorporates all of them?
I agree with you. But I think it's worth waiting a while for it all to reach the right degree of development. The same web3 will give a dozen new opportunities and further development of the Internet space as a whole!
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@Gerizineink, well, technology advances and AI is certainly here to stay. But this does not change the general problem with AI, there will never be an AI that fits all needs, in fact, with technological advancement it will diversify even more.
To speak with a simil: a restaurant, which follows the customers' suggestions of playing background music and for this reason Reggeton is now heard there all day, because it is the genre that the owner likes. Well, this is what all the companies that add AIs to their browsers do now. Hype is one thing and the need of each user is another.
AI can be very useful, but today there is such a diversity of apps and services that it makes it impossible to settle on just one. I also add that it is not so easy to choose those that are valid, reliable and that offer a minimum of privacy (Google or Bng AI are certainly quite debatable in this regard).
Then there is also the issue of licenses, not everyone allows Vivaldi to add them or their APIs are too expensive, also the issue of maintenance, which at least for the moment, is going to be complicated for a small team of devs..
Personally I use mainly 2 AI which may also be usefull for you.
Andisearch as main search enginehttps://andisearch.com/?query=%s
and the Perplexity extension
Both does a good job and are also very reliable and private.
Apart of this several other services, depending of the task in the moment, avoiding those from Google and/or those which need an account.
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@Catweazle As a matter of fact, yes it is. I would even categorize it as marketing. Nowadays, marketing is absolutely everywhere and in all spheres of life. From food to the same AI. So yes, I agree with you. But things can happen, let's not get ahead of ourselves) The world is changing every second. All the best!
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@Gerizineink, that is, I've nothing against AI, but we have to take them with a grain of salt, especially since it is clear that large companies see AI as a welcome tool for collecting user data. You have to choose these tools carefully and check who it is from and which LLM they are using.
Search engines, such as ANDI or the aforementioned Perplexity, use LLM based on the context and sources of the subject matter of which they make a summary, not on the history of previous user queries, since they do not log the activity and have anonymous use, an anonymity that precisely Andi even actively defends (see PP).
On the other hand, be very careful with ChatBots and personal assistants, which in my opinion regarding privacy leave much to be desired. -
@Catweazle said in Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you:
С другой стороны, будьте очень осторожны с чат-ботами и личными помощниками, которые, на мой взгляд, в плане конфиденциальности оставляют желать лучшего.
"We sold our privacy in favor of comfort and convenience".
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@Gerizineink, it has nothing to do with comfort and convenience, but with ignorance on this issue. Between the amunt of existing AI (>7000, daily more), there are enough with equal or even better features, free to use, without needed account and good privaciy. You just have to bother to filter the available options well. This has always been the case in the field of software and services, independent of AI. Paid services with account have never been a guarantee for a better service.
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At this point I find the Chat AIs more useful than not, especially when combined with web links. I'm quite happy with them being leveraged by the search engines. At this point Brave Search has integrated it quite well imo, with a context-dependent AI Summary that pops up, and also a code summary. Each of these can be independently toggled off.
I've tried Opera's Aria a few times and found it useful. E.g., I was reading a technical document and instead of having to independently look up the meaning of some term on another tab, I could just right-click and get Aria to explain while staying on the page.
Of course, they can make mistakes with or without web links. But regular search engine searches can also return garbage and biased information. The user just needs to dig deeper depending on the significance to them of what they're searching for.
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@schmebi said in Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you:
I would still look forward for an summarization feature
You mean like Brave Search? I use this and I find it useful. It can also be turned off. Also, it doesn't always appear. Depends on the context.
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@julien_picalausa said in Vivaldi won't allow a machine to lie to you:
@fratquintero: To the best of my knowledge, there is no solution that has the right guardrails. Can you point to a model that was trained using only data that is part of the public domain or obtained with consent and for which the pre-trained part was done without using of underpaid labor? Unless there is such a thing, all options we have are basically exploitative and cannot be condoned.
There are several solutions FOSS, eg. https://huggingface.co/allenai/OLMo-7B
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@Catweazle The dataset used for that one claims to be "a diverse mix of web content, academic publications, code, books, and encyclopedic materials." No mention of whether it was all obtained with consent.
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@julien_picalausa, well, there are some others "vanilla" in Hugging Faces, used to make all the examples for al kind of tasks you can find in HF Spaces. There you can find also al kind of models and datasets.
You may also contact the Andi Team because the LLM they use, they are the first in introduce AI in the search and with a philosophy very similar to Vivaldi, respect users and privacy.