Do we need a POP3 capable email client?
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work flow, Work Flow WORKFLOW
pop3 for 20 years, linux 10 years, I paid $ for Opera, and still use 12.1x, and still have ALL my mail, but I will figure it out! Just get me one browser open on my desk that doesnt belong to the Google/Win monopoly that does things the best way, to get my best
Work–--- F l o w Mail and browser in one program with every option I can get, I will figure it out if its there.I am Self employed for 30 years, if I dont stay flexible, and I say "my way or the highway" , like so many dinosaurs past, it will be the highway with a cardboard sign. It would take 20 minutes to explain what I do, but I am one of the guys with one foot in old old school and the other on the bleeding edge. you can't ignore the past, it will come back to bite you. Any body seen a 5-1/2 floppy lately? And which pins on the db 9 com port are which? I still have to deal with both in the real world
Get us what you can asap, then keep your promises with in reason on the rest.
PS, some of us are willing to pay for preformance
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Voted "no", but not because POP3 is outdated, but because existing web-based solutions and mobile apps have that covered pretty well already.
I wouldn't mind getting an optionally installable POP3 client (Netscape/Seamonkey style), but that would be pretty low on my priority list. -
IMHO:
Of course we do I was thinking about IMAP but when i researched it and saw that many times if ONE account server crashed and took the mail out it took all the others out also. Don't need that this isn't a game for me of what hot date night it's my livelyhood. -
I have digital of all types for over 30 years that I don't have time to convert to new program or format. Talk to any TOP attorney or really important bank papers are STILL sent by paper and read on paper BECAUSE I CAN STILL USE AND READ IT 100 YEARS FROM NOW.
I dare say IMAP will be just as useless when these hot shots get older, then THEY will see the problems. MOST can't think on their own without GOOGLE, read a map, and can't understand doing away with cash would be bad either. Basic knowledge is useful.
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I need support for whatever my mailserver offers.
And since Vivaldi does anything step-by-step you should start with IMAP - and if then ask if there are still folks out there who need POP3.
(My personal opinion is that legacy is always great.)
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Long time lurker, occasional Vivaldi user, one-time paying sponsor for Opera (when it fit on a 3 1/2" diskette). Used M2 exclusively at my previous job, where it managed over 80,000 emails over nine years very effectively. I'm stuck on Exchange now.
Here's a vote for POP3, but don't hold up the release. I don't use IMAP because I want to keep all my email locally and never stored on a server. If my password were compromised, I don't want malicious actors reading all of my past email. I don't use webmail services subject to analysis for advertisements either. That said, I understand that (1) most people don't use email for communication anymore and (2) most people want to read email on multiple devices.
I still use M2 for my personal email, becase:
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- Local mail store
- Fast searches
- Unified inbox
- Automatic filtering for mailing lists and contacts
- Fairly convenient RSS reader
- Not a super ugly UI
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It's critically missing integration with OpenPGP (preferable) and S/MIME (which I care less about). I'd migrate to M3 without encryption as long as POP3 were available, but otherwise I'd probably hold off. Still, I think any progress on a robust mail client is an advance. The recent Best Email Clients for 2016 post is a good summary of where things stand in the world of desktop mail clients.
Admittedly any kind of mail client these days has a very tough hill to climb because it really belongs integrated into personal information management; my contacts might send me email, but they're also likely to communicate by twitter, facebook, instagram, and other online services. Multiplexing communication streams into a single view is actually one huge use-case for email-in-the-browser, but I don't know that anyone has the resources or interest in combining all that together in a clever UI.
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Hello everyone,
one reason why I prefer POP3 over IMAP (granted, it also has its advantages) is that content which remains on the "public" mail server can be more easily accessed by e.g state institutions without having to go through the hassle as if they wanted to take a look at my local storage at home. For that they would need a search warrant signed by a judge.
Now it's not that I do illegal things using my e-mail accounts (as far as I know) but it's more a matter of privacy concerns. And for that I am more than happy to give up some convenience.
In a nutshell: there is no cloud - there are only servers that belong to others.
Just my 2 cents.
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IMAP is my option, but I'm concerned too about keeping messages on untrusted servers.
Why not IMAP client with POP like local storage?
Make email client to (optionally) sync IMAP folders with local folders and keep local stored messages when delete from server.
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IMAP is my option, but I'm concerned too about keeping messages on untrusted servers.
Why not IMAP client with POP like local storage?
Make email client to (optionally) sync IMAP folders with local folders and keep local stored messages when delete from server.
Just a smarter cache. And add backup/restore functions.That was discussed as "auto-archiving" on the "desired features in the Vivaldi e-mail client" thread.
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we need an email client.
features can be discussed later…. :whistle: -
:lol:
Yup… not complaining, but: 18 months and counting... :whistle:
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It's been under development much longer than that. It's a HUGE task. I get to see the progress almost daily and I have to admit it seems painfully slow - but I have also been able to compare its progress with first two, and now four, developers with the progress of a product with 14 developers - and I have to say, these guys are doing yeoman's work. It's been three years I've been watching the progress of this other team (which had a WORKIING, PUBLISHED email platform when I STARTED watching) and it's clear "throwing together an email app" is not child's play. It's basically easier to build a working browser. Fewer moving parts.
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I'm late, but…
I personally only need IMAP. I have nothing against supporting POP, but it should be secondary to IMAP support and support for all the IMAP extensions. It should also be seconary to MAPI support and oAuth authentication support. As in, I don't want POP to delay anything.
Now, although I have nothing against POP, I'd rather take the pros of POP and make them work with IMAP. For example, if you want fetching a message to remove it from the server and keep the local copy, that should be an option. If you want that to only happen after a certain amount of days, that should be an option. There should be an archive feature that removes the copy on the server but keeps the local. These all of course make it so other clients would no longer see those messages.
There also needs to be some way to protect against the situation when all messages dissapear from the server (when you never deleted them yourself) for some reason and syncing happens. Right now, it'll wipe out your local cache. This part could be complicated to do while supporting normal syncing.
Making those things work with IMAP might be complicated though. So, the question is, would it just be easier to support POP for those who want to use it? Or, should IMAP have some of those things regardless?
One thing that none of those suggestions cover is servers that only support POP. Some people would just be SOL. Also, it'd just be odd for a mail client to not support POP. It just doesn't have to be immediate support. I would still expect NNTP support at some point too.
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@LAMBDA471:
I'll have whatever he_*****_ is having.
_ Microsoft Outlook_*
Please tell me that's a joke…!
Outlook is the worst, most bloated, most stupidly complicated - yet least customisable, least user-friendly, least practical mail client I've ever used in my life!
Searching, trying to quote inline and importing/exporting messages are still absolute pains in the arse in that dump of a client.
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@LAMBDA471:
I'll have whatever he_*****_ is having.
_ Microsoft Outlook_*
Please tell me that's a joke…!
Outlook is the worst, most bloated, most stupidly complicated - yet least customisable, least user-friendly, least practical mail client I've ever used in my life!
Searching, trying to quote inline and importing/exporting messages are still absolute pains in the arse in that dump of a client.
I agree, best left alone as Outlook email client.
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I am an "old" user of mail in just about every sense of the word "old"
I am using mostly POP because that is what I started with and I was always glad to have all mails locally.
Every once in a while there are mails, that I prefer to keep only locally, not on any servers. With POP I never had to think about that.
My volume in Opera 12 M2 is something like 100 000 Mails in the last few years. I also have older versions of Opera which did access closed servers. No problem with my local copy.If the "completeness" of M3 is important, than I would rather have M3 with only IMAP than wait another 6 months
Wolfgang
