How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?

Ayespy

@ybjrepnfr It should not be overlooked that Vivaldi's main claim to privacy is that it does not collect, use, or sell your data. That can't be overcome by third party alterations and interventions.

ybjrepnfr

@Ayespy yeah, good point, but unfortunately this little black duck regards that merely as a starting point... critically important & mandatory, but insufficient by itself.

Catweazle

@ybjrepnfr, every browser need extensions, well for one thing or for other, in Chromium the flaw is certainly the fingerprinting, in others ads and tracking because they need extensions, other, like Otter, don't even have an extension store (although you can add scripts). Even the TOR browser is so private as you think.
When I go with Vivaldi to Browserleaks, I can see that I have a single fingerprint, but each time a different one, it shows me what the web pages know about me, my IP and ISP, when I don't use a VPN, they know that I use Windows, my screen resolution, that I am from Spain and that my browser is 75% Chrome or Edge, like 50 million other users, the rest is not available or does not match. All this just using a few extensions. None of the other browsers I use give me better results.

So what privacy are we talking about? They all have holes that must be replaced with extensions.
Of course, you can continue using Firefox, register with Mozilla, knowing that they then send your data to Google (Alphabet, googleanalytics, googletagmanager), or use Edge, which does not send data to Google, but to MS and half of the other companies of the Internet, Opera, which is the least private of all, Brave sends data to Cryptocompanies and sponsors, among others Facebook, some FF fork, the same problem with a Mozilla account to use Sync, others do not even have this function, having to use your own server or an external one, whose privacy is not necessarily so good either.

While large corporations use these surveillance advertising practices, there is no privacy on the Internet, regardless of which browser we use. It's that simple.

ybjrepnfr

@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

you can continue using Firefox, register with Mozilla

wtaf?

Catweazle

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In the Browser you can avoid this data holes, well with the inbuild features or with extension or scripts, the biggest privacy and security hole isn't the browser, but the search engine you use and the user himself.

Ayespy

@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

every browser need extensions

I don't find this to be the case.

Unless you mean to say all browsers need extensions in order to hide you, which may be the case, but I never felt a particular urge to hide behind a curtain with a peephole, using remote-operated fingers to access the internet so as to remain unseen and unidentified. I know that many do.

Catweazle

@Ayespy; you can't really hide you, you can only protect you from excesive sniffings and annoying ads, pop-ups and other crap, with which webpages intents to fill your HD and browser.
Good example now is the YT problem with it's agressive anti-adblock, pop-ups, blocking and nags, which I avoid 100% with the Vivaldi adblocker and the iFrame script. It don't hide me, YT still logs my searches in the page, but not which videos I watch. In Firefox I need for this uBO and for the iFrame script Greasy-or Tampermonkey extension, in Vivaldi I can use it as is.
I don't care what websites they know what country I live in or my public IP, nor do I care about the technical data of my system, but I do care that my private data is out of their sight.
I also don't like that a page that I visit only occasionally fills my HD with cookies, databases and other shit, or that I find a zillion active serviceworkers in my browser. This is what matters to me and I try to alleviate.

RasheedHolland

@ybjrepnfr said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

next year vivaldi will likely lose any moral authority to keep including privacy self-congratulation in its promo material. without that putative rabbit, this will be the scoreline:

no html5 canvas fingerprint spoofing

no HTTP/2 Fingerprinting spoofing or blocking

no cname-uncloaking

no gui-based page element picker blocking

no user-configurable dynamic filter rules

Yes, good point. I also believe that Vivaldi should do more to protect against tracking, like Brave and Firefox. And as said before, uBlock Lite isn't good enough, so it's a must that Vivaldi's adblocker should be improved. And since it's not extension based, it should be able to bypass the Manifest v3 restrictions.

RasheedHolland

@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

Of course, you can continue using Firefox, register with Mozilla, knowing that they then send your data to Google (Alphabet, googleanalytics, googletagmanager), or use Edge, which does not send data to Google, but to MS and half of the other companies of the Internet, Opera, which is the least private of all, Brave sends data to Cryptocompanies and sponsors.

Yes I agree, I also don't really trust Firefox, Opera and Brave. And we all know that Edge and Chrome are spyware. But I do would like to see more advanced privacy features in Vivaldi, I wonder if they can add them or are they depending on Chromium? For example, what about Total Cookie Protection which was added to Firefox?

https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/14/23166537/firefox-privacy-total-cookie-protection-default

ybjrepnfr

@RasheedHolland the allegation you appear to support is quite misleading. it strongly implies a nexus between using firefox [or forks] & logging into a mozilla account. there is no nexus. use of ff in no way mandates needing a logged-in mozilla account, unless peeps wanna sync. sync is not axiomatic to browsing. this peep has no need of sync in any browser, & so is not using an account, ipso facto collapsing the apocryphal assertion.

furthermore, no chromium browser has granular control like ff's about:config, which provides so-inclined users substantial additional privacy & usability finessing capability vastly ahead of any chromium browser.

the trait of some here to keep alleging a user-privacy false-equivalence between ff & chromium browsers even now, let alone later this year once google finalise their mv3 impost, is highly disingenuous.

RasheedHolland

@ybjrepnfr said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@RasheedHolland the allegation you appear to support is quite misleading. it strongly implies a nexus between using firefox [or forks] & logging into a mozilla account. there is no nexus.

Are you sure this was directed to me? I don't think I made any strong allegations about Firefox.

It's just my personal feeling that eventhough Firefox and Brave have implemented strong privacy features, there is still something shady about them. Firefox has got strong ties with Google and Brave is implementing all kinds of extra features that most people have no interest in.

What I do believe is that Vivaldi should try to implement stronger privacy features, that's all I'm saying. I think it's weird that Vivaldi doesn't portray themselves as a privacy browser, this would make it way more popular and generate a lot of buzz.

RasheedHolland

BTW, I also noticed another browser besides Brave that is focused on privacy, it's called Ulaa. I really think Vivaldi should be promoted more as a privacy focused browser. But it can only do this, if it really raises the bar. And I already asked this in another thread, but is there a list of Chrome/Chromium features that are disabled in Vivaldi?

https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-Chromium-(features-we-disable-or-remove)
https://ulaa.com

Catweazle

@RasheedHolland, well, Ulaa isn't bad, but not specially private, more than other normal Chromium fork, it's a proprietary Browser, made by Zoho with the same PP and TOS of any Zoho product. Nothing way different of any Chromium.

barbudo2005

A famous Roman saying went:

"Caesar's wife must not only be honorable, but must also appear to be so."

With Browsers the saying would be:

"Browsers should not only promote themselves as focused on privacy but also must be."

Catweazle

@barbudo2005, I'm not saying that Ulaa isn't, after all Zoho is a good and well-known company, I'm just saying that Ulaa doesn't particularly stand out when it comes to privacy issues, apart from the usual privacy settings of any Chromium.

barbudo2005

@Catweazle

I'm sick of hearing users who maintain after 8 years the paranoia of distrusting Vivaldi, with phrases like:

1.- But it can only do this, if it really raises the bar.…. is there a list of Chrome/Chromium features that are disabled in Vivaldi?

2.- Has the unique ID been removed?

3.- Etc. Etc. Etc.

And they keep looking to see if there are "other browsers" that are more private.

Pesala

@barbudo2005 That is why this forum has a block feature.

barbudo2005

@Pesala Said:

That is why this forum has a block feature.

I am not worried about myself, but about the mental contamination that these characters introduce into the minds of new users, who enter into doubt.

RasheedHolland

@Catweazle said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@RasheedHolland, well, Ulaa isn't bad, but not specially private, more than other normal Chromium fork, it's a proprietary Browser, made by Zoho with the same PP and TOS of any Zoho product. Nothing way different of any Chromium.

OK I see, didn't know that it was made by Zoho. Of course, you never know if these browsers are truly good for privacy, I mean they can simply make up lies.

RasheedHolland

@barbudo2005 said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:

@Catweazle

I'm sick of hearing users who maintain after 8 years the paranoia of distrusting Vivaldi, with phrases like:

1.- But it can only do this, if it really raises the bar.…. is there a list of Chrome/Chromium features that are disabled in Vivaldi?

2.- Has the unique ID been removed?

3.- Etc. Etc. Etc.

And they keep looking to see if there are "other browsers" that are more private.

You need to calm down. I think you misunderstand certain people like myself. It's not that I don't trust Vivaldi, but I would like to see more privacy focused features in Vivaldi, so that it will attract more people. Vivaldi is currently focused on being the browser with the most useful features, this is cool, but it should also compete more with Brave, Firefox, Epic, Ulaa and Librewolf when it comes to privacy features, that's all I'm saying.