How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?
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the community mockery makes me not even want to be a tester anymore why support a community who mistreats a volunteer for a mere suggested and quite logical approach ?
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@asianmusicguy Sad to read this.
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@asianmusicguy said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
also the smartest thing to do is just have Vivaldi work with Raymond Hill on A VERSION OF THESE RULE SETS THATS COMPTABLE WITH VIVALDI (sorry for caps )
I think Raymond Hill will not spend unpaid free time to help to make Vivaldi Blocker compatible to uBlockOrigin. You think so? Or what should Vivaldi developer team do?
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@DoctorG No, what I'm suggesting is that we utilize the resources and lists that are already freely available, reverse-engineer them, and adapt as much as possible into Vivaldi. It doesn't make sense not to do so. UBO is the go-to blocker, and while I'm not suggesting Ray dedicate his time to this, I'm confident he would be willing to provide any resources he has to the team, if asked. time is money but advice is free.
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@asianmusicguy We are not mocking you - we are mocking the idea that Raymond Hill will somehow change his opinion on not supporting Chromium browsers going forward.
The idea that Vivaldi will somehow manage to "cooperate" with uBO has been posted several times in this now very long (and seemingly neverending) topic and it's getting tiresome for some users who feel they need to respond.
The best course for these users should instead be to just ignore it instead, and not post these "mocking" posts, but not sure if you'd like that better? In any case, this topic has run its natural life to its end and nothing new will come from its continued discussion which will probably last well into the next year.
All we know for sure is:
- There will not be any comment or information from Vivaldi developers before they actually have anything to inform about, so further speculation is pointless.
- Vivaldi is continually improving the built-in blocker and adding parsing to handle more advanced blocking rules.
- There is plenty of time until Mv2 is removed from Chromium source, so plenty of time for Vivaldi's blocker to improve. And for all we know, Google might delay the removal even further, as they have done several times in the past.
- There is no need for Vivaldi to "cooperate" with Mr. Hill to implement more of uBO into Vivaldi, as its code is open-source and its filters and rules freely available.
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@Pathduck i feel like you wrote that before i wrote the above? as you'll see that my plan is not to work with him but use and or reverse engineering resources
He obviously changed his stance a bit because https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home exists
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@asianmusicguy, no need to be so harsh. It is correct that the Vivaldi blocker does not have the features of uBO Mv2, but it does surpass uBO Mv3 (100% in the Adblock Test) and it will surely be better in future versions of Vivaldi.
Vivaldi can't use many uBO filers because they work differently, no matter how much you insist, it must develop its own ways to get around the limitations in Mv3, which it surely achieves.
For my part, I try to stay away from the Chrome Store as much as possible in terms of security and privacy features, replacing them with scripts where necessary.. -
@Catweazle that's why i said we need to use their resources and lists right now its hard for a normal user to configure Vivaldi's blocker in its default state as finding compatible lists is very difficult where as ublock has hand picked curated lists Vivaldi on the other hand for it to have any power you need to manually find sources
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@asianmusicguy, it's not so easy. Yes, there are some filters which you can use in Vivaldi, I tried a lot of uBO filtrlists in Vivaldi, some of these works fine, but most others (>80%) give strange results, breal pages and UIs, blocking important results, block scrollings or access to input fields, things like this.
But as said before, the default Vivaldi blocker is pretty effective, until now the only problems I see are with YouTube, where it is currently very difficult to block a lot of ads (In videos they are skipped by Vivaldi, but often the adblocker is detected and the Video blocked and must be watched in embedded form), because they change their anti- blocking algorritm almost daily. Even Gorhill is in permanent battle with it with uBO Mv2 and abandoned this battle with uBO Light, where he ontly put the basics.
Vivaldi has to improve 2 features, to include dynamic filters and an element picker and I think that it will doo it updates in the future.
The approach of uBO isn't not longer valid for Vivaldi. Also not the Chrome Store for privacy and security extensions.. A lot of work for Vivaldi devs. -
@Catweazle While it’s not an easy task, the browser that will win users' hearts is the one that integrates a native ad blocker modeled after UBO, removing the need for extensions.
Step 1:
Preload and organize all the lists shared by @barbudo2005 into easily accessible formats, similar to UBO. Finding reliable sources can be complex, so streamlining this process is essential.Step 2:
Develop dynamic content-blocking capabilities, especially for platforms like YouTube.Step 3:
Optimize performance and ensure the blocker remains lightweight while maintaining strong filtering capabilities.Step 4:
Finally, as a lower priority, add element-blocking functions similar to UBO’s, giving users more granular control. -
@asianmusicguy, yes, the problem is point 2 which must be developed, all other is already fine (well, if you want you can add the cookie advice blocker) The difficult also is to surround the adblocker detection in YT.
At the moment I use the Embed redirect script and the Web Eraser script as workarround. With this I'm fine as workarround, but for sure it will be only needed for some time until the blocker is further improved.
It is a lot of work while Google is in this agressive anti blocker war with new shady tricks almost daily. -
@Catweazle how exactly is step one good ? as it is right now very little is pre loaded and users how to manually find sources they want instead with no guaranteed compatibility of something like UBO filter lists menu?
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Reading through various forums and articles, it's clear that there is a strong demand for a browser that supports robust ad-blocking and scripting capabilities. While the future may be uncertain regarding which browser will ultimately fulfill these needs, the existence of such demand gives me confidence that a solution will emerge. With this optimism, I’ve decided to keep the metaphorical cord uncut, keep browsing, and continue supporting our current browser choice for the foreseeable future.
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@DoctorG said in How will Vivaldi deal with Google's Manifest V3?:
I think Raymond Hill will not spend unpaid free time to help to make Vivaldi Blocker compatible to uBlockOrigin. You think so? Or what should Vivaldi developer team do?
You are right, Hill works on uBO in his free time and he doesn't see his involvement in the development of uBO as a business.
But why it has to be Hill and uBO? It could be Adguard.
Adguard today is working brilliantly and it fights back even YouTube.
Adguard Software Ltd is a company like Vivaldi Technologies.
If Vivaldi Technologies makes a business deal with Adguard Software Ltd to develop Vivaldi's internal ad blocker... they use say yes.
Adguard Software Ltd is developing multiple extensions and applications.
They will have no problem to develop an internal ad blocker.. if they get paid for it.
Vivaldi is a small company with limited funds, but it needs this.
They could make Adguard Software Ltd a partner down the road and use the Adguard logo in the ad blocker to decrease the costs.
This is needed after June no matter if we diehard fans of Vivaldi don't want to see it.
If Vivaldi will be having a ABP capable ad blocker, and the only way for something better is a MV3 ad blocker and their limitations...
most Vivaldi power users will look for something else. Firefox+uBO or Brave+Shields. -
Basically what the title says. I love addons/extensions. Some I can't live without (the reason I don't use mobile Vivaldi). But mainly because of the freedom to not be restricted in functionality. I hated it how Firefox treated their add on community and I will leave Vivaldi if Manifest V3 is not restricted in it's blow to the add ons.
I don't know where to go yet and I'm still holding hope that it isn't going to go the way everything in software seems to go: Enshittification until death. But expectations are low.
Please tell me you have a plan.
