Why the ugly UI ?



  • don't get me wrong, I'm still using Opera 11, and was fan of Presto based browser and now since "new" Opera goes to china.. oh well but why does Vivaldi devs force ugly flat windows 8/10 look ? why don't you guys use native shell API/look for winnt and let either users choose how app will look or just let it be by OS shell ? There are plenty people who prefer Aero glass look over flat non existant ui with ... sorry to say fugly icons and controls...


  • Moderator

    Use of native elements requires that the browser be compiled for every build, and slows development. It also restricts the possible range of visual options when it comes to skinning the browser.

    Skins of every shape, color, kind and flavor will be coming down the pike - but for now, I suppose they picked a flat 8/10 look because that is the current generation of the majority OS on the planet.



  • that makes no sense
    how come then Chrome, Iron, Comodo Dragon, Opera … and others alike use native shell without special compiling ?

    to me forcing single locked look is simply wrong decision


  • Moderator

    You did not read my comment. As I stated, "Skins of every shape, color, kind and flavor will be coming down the pike…"

    This means, of course, there will be no single locked look. Already, users are playing with CSS and creating a panoply of custom looks, even before there is official skinning.

    And every browser that uses native elements for the UI has to compile every build (probably a couple of hours per build, while a UI made of web technologies will publish in a matter of seconds). Browsers that have to be compiled would include Chrome, Iron, Comodo Dragon, Opera and others alike. It's not "special" compiling. It's just compiling. Vivaldi does not have to do this, because it uses web technologies, not native elements, for its UI. Hence, it can develop faster - as evidenced by the fact that it has made more progress on features in 1.5 years than Opera has in 3, and with a team of about 20 developers to Opera's nearly 200.



  • @Vinifera:

    but why does Vivaldi devs force ugly flat windows 8/10 look ?

    Do you ever asked to yourself why in the sixties all the cars were rounded, and in the seventies had an angled design?

    Like it or not, there are trends in this planet, they change over time, they come back after a while and so on.



  • oh well, its a shame



  • @Vinifera:

    oh well, its a shame

    Seem that no new user is able to talk about his own personal preferences w/o using exaggerated hyperbole.

    That isn't a shame. That is something you don't like, respectably. But respect for your liking must be reciprocal.

    What you call a shame is something that a lot of people likes, and is the result of the work of many people.

    Don't forget that.

    That said the theming support is coming, and while you will never get the support for aero transparencies, you will get a lot more customization options.



  • @Vinifera:

    why the ugly UI ?…

    What ugly UI? Where? I rather like it.

    Linux Mint x64 17.3 KDE.
    V 1.2.490.27 (Developer Build) dev (64-bit)
    Native Window On.



  • i didn't mean shame as shameful product, i meant shame as "too bad" :P
    and its not JUST about aero transparencies, but simple native shell, doesn't matter if its aero or luna or classic shell look
    just to follow it

    this way its just locked


  • Moderator

    @Vinifera
    The UI themeing comes.
    I hope not to late for you. Such loss… an other Vivaldi browser user killed by Impatience ;)

    Please, if you dislike the UI, patch it (It is CSS, HTML and JS) or wait until themeing is ready or dont use a browser which is not suitable for you.



  • @Vinifera:

    that makes no sense
    how come then Chrome, Iron, Comodo Dragon, Opera … and others alike use native shell without special compiling ?

    to me forcing single locked look is simply wrong decision

    That's just a matter of taste, i personally like Vivaldis UI very much, it's eye-catching. Chromes UI also looks good for me, i like the rounded tabs.
    The UI of Opera Blink for example is not my cup of tea, it looks boring and dusty for me ( i'm not a fan of grey in world wide web ) :pinch:

    I'm sure that the developers will offer in future possibilities to change visuals elements in Vivaldi ( i for example would change the blue color scheme in settings and Speed Dial )



  • I look forward to being able to customise the Toolbars and skins as we can in Opera 12.17, but meanwhile Vivaldi is better looking that any of the other browsers that I have installed: Firefox, Opera 37, IE11.

    It is impossible to please everyone, which is why customising is important. However, changing the visual appearance is not the highest priority. Function is more important than form, so I hope that the devs priortise other features before this.



  • Opera 9-12 user here (still using 12.17 right now). I share the sentiment that I do not like the visual appearance of Vivaldi currently. That said, seeing the Settings steadily grow over time gives me confidence that Vivaldi does indeed have customizability in mind. Just give it some time; its pace of catching up is faster than I imagined.



  • Pesala :D

    well, the first thing that user sees when opens an app is UI look
    so that is in my defence, nativity of it would simply use the OS skin and shell
    doesn't matter if youre on WinNT or Linux


  • Moderator

    One opinion: (in depth)

    Of course one can run Vivaldi in a native window. The capability to select that setting has been with us for a long time. I think it's a kind of terrible idea, but people have reasons why they like it. So there's that.

    ALSO, there may be a teeny tiny fraction of people who never even try it, because the screenshots are "ugly" or because when they installed it, it was "ugly," and they immediately uninstalled it without ever using it at all. These folks are not and never were Vivaldi's public. Vivaldi's target audience is obsessed with function, flexibility, and the ability of a browser to be adapted to their work flow and work habits. Secondarily, these same users often love to tinker with various types of eye candy, treating themselves to a variety of visual experiences. To accommodate this secondary appetite, Vivaldi has been designed specifically to make it possible for users to ultimately customize every part of its shape and look.

    This latter (skinning or theming) set of features is likely to be rolled out when the functional feature-set is reasonably complete.

    Right now, Windows 8/10 users are 28% of the user universe and rising, Win 7, 47% and falling, OSX and "other" tied at a little better than 6% apiece, and XP users, just over 10% and falling rapidly.

    https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

    So the team might have initially rolled out Vivaldi looking a little more "Windows 7-ey" than the 8/10 look that they chose, but the trend is in favor of this latter, and my guess is they were being more forward-looking.

    In the meantime, Windows 10 and Windows 8 users will open it for the first time, fiddle it a bit, and think "It looks like it belongs on my desktop." Windows 7 users will be less sanguine with it initially, may want to use the native window option, but if the'yre the functionality fanatics the browser is aimed at, they'll settle in quickly. So far, no one has commented "I can't use this on Windows 7 because it's too ugly." Linux users may find it friendly or not at first depending on their particular WM. But they fiddle everything by nature, and will make it work. If they're on Linux in the first place, their primary concern is always whether things WORK. Mac, it's hard for me to say. Most of the Mac commenters seem to like the UI.

    I fear that I fail to see where the UI as-is, is some sort of marketing disaster.

    Everyone is entitled to express their opinion. I don't see the Team changing course based on feedback to date.



  • I was first drawn into Vivaldi because of it's UI. I had jumped from browser to browser in 2014, from Chrome to Firefox, back and forth, and then settling for Opera, a browser I'd heard of but never used. It was new Opera, and I liked it a lot because it's UI layout was pretty easy(just like Old Opera/Vivaldi), it was fast, it was like Chrome only better, so I used it.

    Then found out about Vivaldi throughout the internet. I kept seeing pictures of it. I thought "Wow! That's a beautiful looking browser! Chrome is so ugly compared to that!". After seeing it again and again on the internet, I decided to try it out, and here I am.

    @Ayespy:

    Mac, it's hard for me to say. Most of the Mac commenters seem to like the UI.

    I'm sure they do really like the UI. As great as Vivaldi looks on W10, I would argue it maybe looks even better on Mac, especially when you have "Tab Bar Background" enabled. Look's almost like it was made for Mac.


  • Moderator

    Good to know!


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