Would Vivaldi consider a Pro version focused on security?
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This is just a wild idea. But I love Vivaldi and I want you guys to make money. So perhaps you guys can make an enterprise browser, a bit similar to what Island and Talon did, see links.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/01/island-stealth-enterprise-browser/
https://venturebeat.com/security/the-rise-of-the-enterprise-browser-and-whats-next-for-secure-browsing/ -
@RasheedHolland You can donate here: https://vivaldi.com/contribute/
I don't think Vivaldi will make a separate paid browser because that would likely require them to spend more money than they would make from it. And I think if ever Vivaldi were able to create special security functions, they should be available for everyone, not just those who pay.
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@RasheedHolland Agree with @LonM
That isn't the Vivaldi vision, neither Opera vision (I mean the original).
"This is a browser for people, not for enterprises".
That's could be the Vivaldi vision summarized into a single phrase.
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@LonM said in Would Vivaldi consider a Pro version focused on security?:
@RasheedHolland You can donate here: https://vivaldi.com/contribute/
I don't think Vivaldi will make a separate paid browser because that would likely require them to spend more money than they would make from it. And I think if ever Vivaldi were able to create special security functions, they should be available for everyone, not just those who pay.
No you are misunderstanding, these security features are not that useful to home users, they are more geared to the enterprise, and you can make a lot of money in this space. Donations are not going to cut it.
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@Obiwan2208 said in Would Vivaldi consider a Pro version focused on security?:
@RasheedHolland Agree with @LonM
That isn't the Vivaldi vision, neither Opera vision (I mean the original).
"This is a browser for people, not for enterprises".
That's could be the Vivaldi vision summarized into a single phrase.
See above, the home user version can still coexist, but the Pro version would get some extra features which are geared to the enterprise.
It doesn't have to be about security features per se, it can also be about productivity and collaboration. This would mean that Vivaldi Pro would compete with companies like Island, Sidekick and Synth to name a few, see first link.
And actually, even in the consumer space, Vivaldi needs to stand out because of competition from DuckDuckGo, Brave and Avast Secure Browser. I believe Vivaldi should focus more on privacy and security.
https://www.protocol.com/browser-company
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/duckduckgo-browser-mac-app -
@RasheedHolland It can't.
I invite you to watch to CEO of Vivaldi when he created the company and then recently talking about the Vivaldi community.
I challenge you to find anything
that would indicate that is thinking about monitization.
ivaldi is the community's browser, doesn't compete for market share
, nor does compete with companies.And Vivaldi has always been concerned about privacy and security.
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@Obiwan2208 said in Would Vivaldi consider a Pro version focused on security?:
@RasheedHolland It can't.
I invite you to watch to CEO of Vivaldi when he created the company and then recently talking about the Vivaldi community.
I challenge you to find anything
that would indicate that is thinking about monitization. ivaldi is the community's browser, doesn't compete for market share , nor does compete with companies.I never said the founder of Vivaldi was thinking about monitization, it's just an idea. At the end of the day, money needs to be made, because eventually this project might stop, or even worse, it might get sold to some Chinese company like what happened with Opera.
Of course in an ideal world, the 2 million+ Vivaldi users would all be willing to pay a €10 per year fee, but it's not going to happen. So it doesn't hurt to think about other ways to make money, and that is to target the enterprise. Of course the consumer version will remain free and might benefit from Vivaldi's Pro development.
And Vivaldi has always been concerned about privacy and security.
Trust me, Vivaldi can do better when it comes to security and privacy. For starters, the adblocker should become more handy to use with a more advanced interface, perhaps similar to uBlock and Ghostery. An just like Brave it can perhaps implement advanced anti-fingerprinting techniques.
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@RasheedHolland Having a paid-for-extras and a free version is not the philosophy of Vivaldi Technologies and their owners.
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What are those much needed safety extras?
What am I missing? Please tell me.
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@DoctorG said in Would Vivaldi consider a Pro version focused on security?:
@RasheedHolland Having a paid-for-extras and a free version is not the philosophy of Vivaldi Technologies and their owners.
Yes I guess so, but like I said, only companies should pay, so the consumer version would not be affected. And again, you will need to make money since I suppose nobody at Vivaldi is working for free. You must not forget that a crappy browser like Firefox, which also hasn't that big of a market share, has a revenue of $500 million a year, because Google pays them to keep Google Search the default search engine. I rather see Vivaldi getting a bigger piece of the pie.
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@barbudo2005 said in Would Vivaldi consider a Pro version focused on security?:
What are those much needed safety extras?
What am I missing? Please tell me.
Brave has implemented features related to anti-fingerprinting. And Opera has implemented a feature that protects against crypto stealers, just some random examples. My point is that Vivaldi should be marketed more as a browser focused on security and privacy, that's what will make you stand out. Both when it comes to the consumer and corporate market.
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@barbudo2005 said in Would Vivaldi consider a Pro version focused on security?:
Protection by Trace:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/trace-online-tracking-pro/njkmjblmcfiobddjgebnoeldkjcplfjb
Yes, I guess it's cool, so why not implement such a thing directly into Vivaldi. The sad truth is that there are too many shady extensions out there. I'm not saying that this is one of them though, but you get the point.
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BTW, this is the protection feature that was implemented in Opera, to protect against clipboard data stealers. And Edge will implement a password strenght checker. This type of innovation should also come to Vivaldi, see links.
https://winaero.com/opera-gets-paste-protection-for-clipboard-to-protect-sensitive-data/
https://www.reddit.com/r/MicrosoftEdge/comments/10spaof/microsoft_edge_will_have_its_own_password/ -
so why not implement such a thing directly into Vivaldi
Because this guy already did it and in an excellent manner.
"It does not matter the color (directly) of the cat but that it catches mice."
The sad truth is that there are too many shady extensions out there.
Against that : Sapience
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Another tracking protection: LocalCDN
Protects you against tracking through CDNs (Content Delivery Networks) by redirecting to local resources.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/localcdn/njdfdhgcmkocbgbhcioffdbicglldapd
https://codeberg.org/nobody/LocalCDN
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@barbudo2005 , I use another one, WhatCampaign, which send false data to Google Analytics. But Google eliminated it from the store (logic). It's still in the FF store
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@barbudo2005 said in Would Vivaldi consider a Pro version focused on security?:
Because this guy already did it and in an excellent manner.
Yes but can we trust this guy? When it comes to stuff like anti-fingerprinting I would rather do this directly via the browser, instead of relying on some extension that might even break in the future, once Chromium gets changed. I already use 10 extensions and I'm not sure if I can trust them all.
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@barbudo2005 said in Would Vivaldi consider a Pro version focused on security?:
Another tracking protection: LocalCDN
Protects you against tracking through CDNs (Content Delivery Networks) by redirecting to local resources.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/localcdn/njdfdhgcmkocbgbhcioffdbicglldapd
First of all, no need to copy and quote all that stuff. And secondly, we're getting a bit off topic. My idea was more about a Vivaldi Pro version geared to companies, and Vivaldi could focus on security, productivity and collaboration. And BTW, earlier in this topic I posted a link about The Browser Company who is developing a browser named Arc, but they want to get rid of tabs, so I don't take them seriously.
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@RasheedHolland , a professional paid version that includes security features that are easily implemented with existing free extensions is meaningless.
Companies are not going to be interested at all. There are other functions that they might be interested in, related to collaborative project functions or centralized control, things like that, but for this there are already excellent tools that they are using. Therefore it will not be an option for Vivaldi, since it implies a separate development that will not be amortized later.The only option for a paid service may be a quote for those who need more than 5 Gb for the Vivaldi mail account (???)
