Frequently requested fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2883.3

[zoli62]

The drop-down list containing the visited websites has returned to the address bar. I thought it would remain as it is in Chrome, i.e. it would be missing, but fortunately this useful feature has returned.
Any idea what caused this feature to disappear for a few snapshot releases? I know that Vivaldi differs from Chrome in many ways, but it is still based on it.

[AltCode]

@DoctorG said in Frequently requested fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2883.3:

As i was told in the past, the data size of many thumbnails would cost too much traffic and storage on Sync servers.

Frankly, I now find this hard to believe, seeing how the Vivaldi Team is now hosting their Mastodon server Vivaldi Social.

I'm not sure how large the thumbnails of other people are, but Vivaldi Social allows uploading videos that will surely be much larger than any single user profile with bookmarks that all have their own thumbnail.

Let's say that a single user has ~200 bookmarks, with only around half of those having a custom thumbnail that is on average ~50KB large, that would a total of ~5MB would be needed to sync and store the custom thumbnails. And these thumbnails will not have to constantly be reuploaded and redownloaded so often, only when a user sets sync on a new device, or updates one of their thumbnails.

Now let's consider Vivaldi Social, which allows uploading media that can be as large as 15MB, here's an example of that: https://social.vivaldi.net/@VaderMcFly/109527972721101000

Note, this is bigger than the 8MB size limit imposed on themes uploaded to Vivaldi Themes.

Let's also consider that many people, let's say around 20% of Vivaldi Social users (so about 3.4K of the current 17K active users), will constantly be uploading media that is ~30KB in size every two days. That means it would need around ~50MB to support all that uploaded media (plus the occasional 15MB sized files that may be uploaded).

That really makes me wonder how the Vivaldi Team is justifying the costs of traffic and storage of media files in the Vivaldi Social servers as acceptable, but not a hypothetical syncing of thumbnails for sync servers.

[DoctorG]

@AltCode I fear i had not explained precise enuff.
I was told last year about why missing thumbs in sync of bookmarks, now i do not know the reason, perhaps sync of thumbs is not completely implemented yet.
If you need, i ask internally a sync admin.

//EDIT:
I excuse to have caused irritation!

Sync dev said in internal chat some minutes ago that sync of thumbs is in the pipeline, but not ready yet.
But sync of thumbs metadata is one of the first steps in this process.

[Gregor]

Same here - left and right edge cut:

also this white line

[Fukurokudzu]

One more thing, not sure if it's known issue, but it's there for a long time already. "Mark as read" button in Mail is greyed out if you open email message from notifications or via menu bar bottom of the screen

Windows 11, V 5.7.2883.3

[wetware05]

@ruarí said:

@wetware05: We test on snapshot and if it works without issue, it will be backported to stable.

That is actually the entire point of snapshot, just to test for stable.@ruarí:

I think a wheel with a patch is preferable than a flat tire

[wetware05]

@mib2berlin: Thanks, I followed your advice and restarted Vivaldi. The error has been corrected (It is difficult to make the decision to restart, due to all the subsequent work —customize some extensions, readjust some things in the configuration, "log in" to the platforms again...—)

[Ruarí]

@wetware05 Every fix comes with a potential to break something else (and frequently does). These is no sense in taking fixes like this straight to stable if one can avoid it.

Snapshots are for testing only. It is not an extra stream, even if many use it like that.

[TbGbe]

@Ruarí said in Frequently requested fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2883.3:

It is not an extra stream, even if many use it like that.

[Preorian]

@DoctorG said in Frequently requested fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2883.3:

Sync dev said in internal chat some minutes ago that sync of thumbs is in the pipeline, but not ready yet.

Could you tell them that FIRST add an option to disable bookmark thumbnails completely?

[Preorian]

Quality of Vivaldi (both snapshots & stable) is decreasing. Now my snapshot, after this release, crashes instantly when opening it. Tried to remove sessions files so that V starts with no tabs but it doesn't help, instant crash, in less than second, I can see the gui but then it crashes. Don't want to clear my settings/profile completely. Is there any crash logs anywhere to try to analyse what is going wrong?

[derDay]

@Preorian
rename your profile folder default to something else and start again

[Preorian]

@derDay Is that really the only option?! Isn't there any crash logs or something? It's PITA to start all over with everything. It shouldn't be like that.. at least there should be some logs to try to investigate what is going on. How else people could report some problem like this, especially with snapshots?

[Zalex108]

@Preorian

Hi,
Look whether there's something here
https://peter.sh/experiments/chromium-command-line-switches/

On the other side,
Suggestion:

Create a Profile as Template
Update it "frequently", depending on the daily changes, every 6 months would be enough.

Make a copy of that one and run it as your common profile.
If something goes so wrong to force a reset, just copy back from the Template and add the Sessions and any other small change.

Back up both Profiles as frequent as you prefer to avoid spend time resetting or looking for problems.

Using Snap versions means take all this more in count than on Stable.

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"Off Topic Tip"
Follow the Signature's Backup | Reset link.
Take the opportunity to start a Backup plan and even create a Template Profile.

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Windows 7 (x64)
Vivaldi Backup | Reset + Extra Steps

[TbGbe]

@Preorian said in Frequently requested fixes – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2883.3:

Isn't there any crash logs or something?

See https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/troubleshoot/reporting-crashes-on-windows/

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[mib2berlin]

@Preorian
Hi, Vivaldi create crash logs, depends on your system at different locations.
For Windows: https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/troubleshoot/reporting-crashes-on-windows/

Cheers, mib

[Preorian]

So there's no crash logs that the user could investigate then? Only blindly send a lot of dump files to vivaldi? Disappointing.

[Preorian]

TL;DR; Bookmarks file was the culprit, for some reason it made vivaldi/chrome crash.

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Googled & read a lot of bug reports and whatnot about analysing dumps.

Loaded dump (made in linux) in Windows with "WinDbg" but couldn't understand anything what was going on.

Started viv with /usr/bin/vivaldi-snapshot --enable-logging --v=1 and saw these:

[2669519:2669519:1218/035654.509913:ERROR:gpu_memory_buffer_support_x11.cc(44)] dri3 extension not supported.
[2669479:2669479:1218/035655.298182:ERROR:sharing_service.cc(222)] Device registration failed with fatal error
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

(The first 2 lines still appear after I found out that the Bookmarks was the culprit, so this output wasn't helpful at all, other than knowing about segfault)

And then read the created chrome_debug.log file in $HOME/.config/vivaldi-snapshot folder and saw that the last line was always this:

[2672382:2672438:1218/043637.164109:VERBOSE1:syncer.cc(155)] Committing from types Bookmarks, Preferences, Typed URLs, Search Engines, Sessions, Dictionary, Device Info, Priority Preferences, User Consents, Send Tab To Self, Security Events, Sharing Message, Encryption Keys

Which led to more googling and not finding anything similar to my problem, basically only about some sysadmins complaining years ago how remote profiles crashed chrome. But there was some mentions of bookmarks so I just tested to remove (moved to other folder) the bookmark files and voila, no crash. And vivaldi sync pulled my bookmarks back (and at first glance they seem to be ok, still need to compare to the old files).

I have no idea what happened and started the crashing. Too bad there's no good error logs.

[Preorian]

BTW. Has it been reported already that the:

[Panels] Increase default Panel width (VB-93713)

implemented in previous snapshot 2881.6 is buggy?

After every restart the default panel width is back.

If I have selected the bookmark panel and change the width (which also changes to all other panels that do not have the "separate width" selected) it works for current running session, but after viv is restart, the default (vivaldi forced) width is back. It didn't behave like this in the past.

[mib2berlin]

@Preorian
Hi, I hope this is working out for you now.
Vivaldi create crash logs, check:
https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/troubleshoot/reporting-crashes-on-linux/

The command find the log files, compress it and move it to /tmp, if you want to find the original .dmp files use:

find ~/.config/vivaldi/Crash\ Reports/pending -newer /opt/vivaldi/vivaldi-bin -name \*.dmp -printf %f\\n

Cheers, mib