Whatsapp web on web panel became extremely slow

barbudo2005

I remind those who have problems with WA that there is WA Desktop, that it has no problem, and has the advantage that you can make voice or video calls.

nellmf

@ingolftopf Vivaldi is slow and consumes much more resources than any browser, compared to Edge, which at the moment precisely users and testers are complaining about the high consumption of the browser.
Now, I give you an example, comparing Vivaldi and Opera with only one tab open and being exactly the same, I show you the results, simply the resource management of Vivaldi is clumsy and consumes too many resources to keep a tab open. We are normalizing the fact that a browser with only run it and open a tab, you consume more than half a gigabyte, it's terrible, it should not be so, I remember when they ran the 300 or 400 MB, was good, but now exceeds Opera by almost 200 MB and Edge by a little more with the same tabs.

Not wanting to realize this, is to make us blind to the problem and sooner or later, it will take its toll because WE WILL NOT WANT SOMETHING SLOW.

I leave evidence.

ingolftopf

@Edmarcio said in Whatsapp web on web panel became extremely slow:

... it is basically most used messenger in the world.

Sadly

I hope that everyone here is aware that WhatsApp belongs to Facebook and that they are feeding 'Meta' with their data.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhatsApp

ingolftopf

@nellmf said in Whatsapp web on web panel became extremely slow:

Vivaldi is slow and consumes much more resources than any browser, compared to Edge

As I said, I cannot confirm this observation.

Edmarcio

@ingolftopf everybody probably knows that but has no issue with that at all.
I saw some others alternatives posted in this thread but what the point to use an alternative if you can't talk with your wife, children, familiars, friends, companies, etc?

I use whatsapp web because it is easier than use my cellphone all the time when I'm working... and I can freely talk or reply anytime to my wife, familiars, children, friends, etc.

If my wife wants something she ask via whatsapp because she knows in most times I'm in meetings and can't attend a cellphone call so the message I can easy reply to her even in a business meeting... same for my children, my mother, my father, or friends...

I left the work already knows if my friends are doing something so it very easy... or I just schedule a shopping or food delivery via whatsapp... it is that easy and simple because everybody uses it.

Now what the point of use a messenger that most don't uses or that are not integrated in cellphones? Unless it is a very specific group Telegram doesn't offer that too... you have to use whatsapp that is what most use.

Maybe I'm talking about the reality in Brazil... maybe in others countries Whatsapp is not that popular where everybody with a cellphone uses it including business locations.
Or maybe the world really uses whatsapp and doesn't care about Meta or Facebook political discussion.

Convenience is better than anything else because it makes your life easy and indirect improve it quality.

Edit - You will probably ask why I'm using Vivaldi if you don't care about data privacy? Well I like the features that don't existis in browsers like Chrome or Edge... I was an Opera user but was forced to find a new browser when they removed the Recent Closed Tabs from top right of the browser windows (it is really amazing useful) and so researching I found Vivaldi and after some test found out others nice features I liked (I like the options for tabs and the build-in adblock without need of extensions for example) and so I started to use Vivaldi in my devices including work... it helps in what I do.

nellmf

@Edmarcio Completely in agreement, dear.

The problem seems to some people, is that if they offer support to an application like WhatsApp or any other, if that functionality exists, why then they tell you to use Jabber for example, when you know perfectly well that almost nobody uses it. This is a productivity issue, the idea of using the side panel or WhatsApp inside the panel is because you don't have to fight through the tabs looking for it or looking for the Desktop application. So if the solution is not to use WhatsApp, because simply Vivaldi does not support it or does not interest them, then remove the support and that's it, WhatsApp is no longer used, let everyone decide whether or not to stay with Vivaldi, but to go out with a thought of using something else, which is not offered in the browser, lacks logical sense.

The problem is evident in Vivadi, whether they want to realize it or not, but sooner or later they will do it and leave those retrograde thoughts.
In this same thread there are several people reporting the issue, but there are a lot of others defending something a bit abstract, simple doesn't work, it works perfectly in Opera, yes, quite well. But we don't want to switch to Opera, but with this kind of thinking, unfortunately one already doubts it.

princemike23

@mercail said in Whatsapp web on web panel became extremely slow:

Greetings,

I'm looking for help resolving this very specific issue:
Suddenly Whatsapp's web version in desktop mode that I use for web panels became extremely slow and unresponsive, and I cannot find a reason to blame for it. Everything from the text cursor selecting the typing area to image pasting is taking upwards of 15 seconds on a decent desktop. I cannot observe this behavior on other web panels or even whatsapp web in a normal tab.

I already cleared my download queue which seemed to help with pasting images in the chat, but it's still very sluggish.
I've deleted and recreated the webpanel.
My vivaldi installation is up to date, but the issue did not come up immediately after an update.
Tried in a private window without extensions.

Thanks in advance

//MODEDIT: merged duplicated threads, bug reported as VB-91338

I have exactly the same issue.
Please solve asap!

Thanks

garay92

Well, I've just created a thread about this same problem.

The support just send me this thread link and for what I saw Vivaldi support doesn't really care if we can't use WhatsApp Web or not.

I still can't use it via new tab, but it worked properly via side menu bar and I can copy and paste images into chats without the fu***g dead bird icon.

eylem

I have the same problem in windows and linux. New clean profile doesn't fix it. I have some questions:
Why does it happen? Is it true that vivaldi team couldn't fix the problem? Why whatsappweb works in regular tabs but not in panel?

Ayespy

@eylem Panel is not a regular web page. It is, in part, a mobile emulator. That is, because the panel is narrow it frequently gets the mobile version of a page even though it's using desktop browser technology.

The devs know about the problem with WhatsApp and will be trying to fix it. Break-fixes are seldom fast and simple. They require diagnosis and re-writing of parts of the code. And the team is small.

Of course the problem is not something Vivaldi changed in panels. It is something Chromium and/or WhatsApp changed and now Vivaldi has to figure out what that was and how to remedy it. That will happen.

But the narrowness of the panel, some of its coding limitations, and website defaults for mobile versions of their pages introduce variables as to what needs fixed and how to fix it.

eylem

@Ayespy thank you for clear, full and quick answer

Ayespy

@nellmf Congrats on your software development. I'm a software user (and very minor writer) since 1977 when we began using our first desktop for business purposes. Back when you had to set DIP switches to make your machine use the same protocols as your monitor and (dot matrix) printer. Later, I was a user of AIM, Yahoo Messenger, and ICQ (one of my clients required all of their staff and contractors to have it and use it - did you know it's still in development?) But I no longer use a desktop messenger. 27% of web users (less than a third, a minority by mathematical definition) use it. That's a lot, but it doesn't include me nor, so far as I can tell, the Vivaldi team. I have seen evidence of one internal tester who has it or installed and tested it.

It's not as though there is some magic whereby the development team at Vivaldi (apx 1/10 the size of the one Jon left at Opera) can just decide WhatsApp will work with their unique UI and make it so. They keep as much stuff working as they can, and sooner later fix what they can't.

I have three different versions of Vivaldi installed on each of nine different systems for testbeds at present, the oldest of which is a 2007 Lenovo R61i. It runs as fast and as well as any software does on each of these. It's slow on the slow machines, but then so is everything including Edge and Chrome. It's not slow on anything I own 13 years old (Compaq CQ5000) or newer.

The Vivaldi crew tries to keep Vivaldi running well on the very widest possible range of machines they can, from a 10-year-old Raspberry Pi to a totally modern gaming rig.

The devs know the WhatsApp issue is a "thing" and will address it, because that's what several users need. Even though they did not break it, they will fix it.

My post was to reflect on the knee-jerk reaction of some users to blame Vivaldi for such problems as they encounter, even though there are numerous causes that do not involve Vivaldi at all, but rather developers who don't know about, and don't test in, Vivaldi because it's not one of the big three browsers and, as such, is either ignored or treated as malware by software authors who are only seeing the broad middle or the lowest common denominator.

As nearly as I can tell, perhaps 15% of Vivaldi users are also WhatsApp users, and perhaps a third of those (5%) use it in a panel. Still, that's plenty (conservatively, over 200,000 users) to generate a wave of reports. And so it will be addressed.

I don't use it, and literally no one I know does, either. So I would not have had occasion to have run into the problem.

Hurting you and WhatsApp is not a Vivaldi operational decision. If it were up to the Team, everything would run great all the time on every level of hardware.

nellmf

@Ayespy I think that's part of the problem. You mention that you don't use it, that it's not Vivaldi's fault, so why say that it's the users' fault, if at the beginning I even formatted my computer in Laptop, even in my Desktop with ArchLinux, which is considered a distribution that doesn't use resources, but you insisted in saying that it wasn't Vivaldi. The problem with that thought is that they leave the users, I think most users here, we know at least how to turn on a computer, the times you mention were left behind 30 or 40 years ago, now we are with new trends, unfortunately or for worse, maybe, but believe me that before coming and make a case for the review of the incident, as a developer and tester, I gave the opportunity to rule out any user issues, but most moderators indicated that the problem is because of some configuration by the users, you never doubted that it was something with Vivaldi, maybe not directly if not something from META, but it is still part of the integration that makes Vivaldi, if other browsers like Opera works correctly using the same resources, and testing on other browsers and computers, even testing on other operating systems, even here came users of MacOS, Linux, with different hardware and software configurations, but your answer was simply, "It's NOT a Vivaldi problem, it's a problem in your user configuration" or , you have to try it, it was only when a large group of users indicated the same problem that they came to take the issue seriously, they even sent us to use Jabber or others.

I'm sorry if you don't use WhatsApp, for some it's a work tool, like using a Browser, for you maybe not, but you can't put your daily use and say you don't use it and only say it's our fault as users, that's being simplistic. If the moderators, command us to use Jabber or others, then remove the WhatsApp panel integration and that's it, put Jabber and let the users choose whether or not to use Vivaldi, but to give the answers that you gave is simply pitiful and lacks any sense of user's point of view, treating him as ignorant.

I understand that Vivaldi is free, that we do not pay for that, but then my criticism is in favor of improving aspects of form, and if Vivaldi has problems with the integration of the Panel and WhatsApp, so simple it was, recognize

Ayespy

@nellmf I didn't say or imply anything about user fault.

ingolftopf

The suggestion of 'Jabber/XMPP' came from me please.

@nellmf said in Whatsapp web on web panel became extremely slow:

@Ayespy but to give the answers that you gave is simply pitiful

I think you should slowly start to rein in your tone.
No one who is involved here deserves to be called such insults.

nellmf

@ingolftopf

At no time offended anyone, only indicated that most moderators, to the problem, only said to check that it could be a problem of user configuration and that with the comments or feedback, they make us users feel ignorant. If that bothers you, you can gladly hit the eject button and remove from the forum. But that does not mean that I will shut up, feel free to make the decision you think is right, but the problem remains unresolved and even worse, you do not want to assume that the problem is Vivaldi's problem and that is what bothers the most.

Ayespy

@nellmf You will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

If you start a topic asking for help diagnosing why Vivaldi runs slow on your rig, I am sure any number of users will help you debug it. Then Vivaldi will be fast for you, as it is for others.

The WhatsApp problem is already being addressed, so if you get a fast Vivaldi and a smooth WhatsApp panel, life will be good.

You are aware, I am sure, that the Vivaldi UI uses unique code, unlike any other browser, so there are some things you can't realistically compare between Vivaldi and others. This can also mean that compatibility bugs can require some special coding.

So I invite you to start a topic asking for help with your speed problems. Vivaldi is not inherently slow, so it does not have to be slow for you. At all times, keep in mind the Community Code of Conduct, in particular:

"...ask your questions clearly and stay positive."

"Be kind and friendly when giving or receiving feedback."

"Don’t insult or use unfriendly language..."

Edmarcio

I don't agree with the mod thinking...

I'm a software developer... if something works in competition software and not in mine it is my software fault. Trying to place the blame in external places instead it own software is weird.

Whatapp Web is a web app like any other and runs in all browsers fines except now Vivaldi... it should be an Whatsapp Web issue if it happened in all Chromium browsers but not.

It is a specific issue to Vivaldi and the first step to make it better is to acknowledge the issue and not blame others.

jesusmarquez

@Edmarcio In my case Whatsapp works perfectly in an ordinary web tab.
It only becomes unresponsive when running in a side panel tab

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