Why are so many settings missing or "hidden" in vivaldi://chrome URLs?



  • Why are so many settings missing or "hidden" in [b]vivaldi://chrome[/b] URLs? Wasn't this browser supposed to be aimed at more advanced users? One of the things that I loved about old Opera is that it gave me settings for [i]everything[/i]. Preferred locale, script execution policies, history keeping policies, form saving, password saving, etc. I could turn everything ON or OFF, could tweak everything, right via the Preferences UI. One of the many things I hate about Chrome and Chrome-clones is that they treat their average use as being some sort of sea cucumber that would implode if their preferences UI had more than a couple of settings, so they take everything away from there. Firefox also does it to some degree, hiding away many of their settings in about:config, but they at least present [url=http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries]documentation for those[/url]. So what's the goal with Vivaldi? Are settings thought as being more "advanced" going to stay hidden away from the common users? And if so, can we at least get some decent documentation for them? And what's the guideline for what's going to be considered an "advanced setting"? Right now even basic stuff like disabling automatic execution of plugins or scripts is hidden, and I can't even find options to disable form history or password saving.


  • Moderator

    This is just because the Settings UI has a fair way to go before it is finished. Due to the non-native UI, every single reference and function has to be coded from scratch by hand, and this takes time.



  • I just tried out loading the Vivaldi profile into Chrome 49 (the version Vivaldi 1.0 is based on). It somewhat works. In Chrome I can view most of the settings made in Vivaldi including bookmarks. Although chrome complains some settings have been reset.

    Looks like the Speed Dial is a Chrome extension, Chrome complains about it being missing. ;-)


  • Vivaldi Team

    @Ellye:

    Why are so many settings missing or "hidden" in vivaldi://chrome URLs? Wasn't this browser supposed to be aimed at more advanced users?

    One of the things that I loved about old Opera is that it gave me settings for everything. Preferred locale, script execution policies, history keeping policies, form saving, password saving, etc.

    I could turn everything ON or OFF, could tweak everything, right via the Preferences UI.

    One of the many things I hate about Chrome and Chrome-clones is that they treat their average use as being some sort of sea cucumber that would implode if their preferences UI had more than a couple of settings, so they take everything away from there.

    Firefox also does it to some degree, hiding away many of their settings in about:config, but they at least present documentation for those.

    So what's the goal with Vivaldi? Are settings thought as being more "advanced" going to stay hidden away from the common users? And if so, can we at least get some decent documentation for them?

    And what's the guideline for what's going to be considered an "advanced setting"? Right now even basic stuff like disabling automatic execution of plugins or scripts is hidden, and I can't even find options to disable form history or password saving.

    This is a good question! The immediate answer is that if the features are hidden in this way they are not Vivaldi features…. at least not yet! :)

    We have all along said that Vivaldi is a browser for our friends, so we have been listening to friends, gotten tons of new friends with options and requirements. Some of the features we can develop based on the underlying rendering engine infra structure. Iif they work the way we and our friends think they should we include them but may change the way they are presented in the settings. If they still are hidden it's because we have not found a reason to include them and if we do they will get the Vivaldi touch and show up in settings.

    On the other hand we have added many features that you won't find as part of the browser rendering engine framework. These features are just as important and we have developed and included them for you guys to use because they do NOT exist anywhere in any other browser hidden or in your face! :)

    I hope this explains a bit of the thinking behind features.

    //Christian - Vivaldi Technologies



  • No NOT really. why hide settings based on an chrome browser when you're trying to be different and the Chrome browser hides these also!

    Why does an user have to jump through hoops almost to find "hidden" settings anyway. Surely an panel, with 'General' settings and an addtional "advanced user" settings would suffice, or would that be too much like common sense?

    So far, I've seen nothing that would make me use Vivaldi regularly, until they sort out an browser for 'everyday' users that's secure and respects their privacy (by turning OFF 'new' cutting-bleeding-edge' thingys like webrtc, canvas, video, audio, etc. or at the very least give the user the option to activate it as and when needed and explain the risks and pitfalls of each!)
    as well as catering to the more advanced user by including Advanced settings in an easy to find way instead of some daft 'easter egg' hunt.

    I mean, yes, nearly everything can be exploited online, within ANY browser, but please give the user MORE info about these 'new technologies' lurking within your browser and make them aware of the benefits AND the pitfalls of each - now THAT really WOULD be different!


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