Very slow to make window from tab
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So I've been using Vivaldi for a couple of years now, and something that has never changed and always frustrated me is how difficult it is to make a new window from dragging a tab out. For example, dragging this very tab out takes up to 15 seconds to fully load as a separate window. This is just... beyond inacceptable. And the timing does not improve much on a new profile.
Despite how much I love Vivaldi, at this point given the slowness of the UI I am seriously considering moving to a faster browser, and not even any specific browser, just any other browser, because they all seem to do this properly and instantly, without a fuss. In fact any time I use another browser (yes with the same number of extensions installed) they're almost in another category altogether with how snappy they are.
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@benice It takes 2-3 seconds here. It will always be marginally slower than Chrome because of the extra layer that Vivaldi uses to draw the UI, but 15 seconds is far from normal.
- Disable your antivirus if you use one (Windows Defender is sufficient)
- Always give your Vivaldi and OS version when reporting issues (put them in your forum signature)
- Disable all extensions. If that fixes the issue, restart them one by one to find out which one is causing the issue)
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- No antivirus (just WD)
- Latest Vivaldi stable and Windows 10 latest update
- Disabling extensions did nothing, fresh profile did nothing. Fresh vivaldi install on fresh windows profile does nothing. Vivaldi behaves the same on my laptop (same config with W10). They aren't weak machines, by any means, either.
Chrome, Edge, and Firefox all do this almost instantly, less than 1 second, and that's with many extensions installed and about a hundred tabs open (I have 32GB RAM though so that's not too relevant).
I do find it surprising that you say it's not normal, because I've read dozens of cases online of the same thing happening.
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So why do vivaldi devs insist on using the chrome engine to draw the entire UI? Why not just make a native UI like everyone else? It's clearly one of the biggest limitations preventing Vivaldi from becoming more popular. If it can never be as fast for this reason, then why even do it? I'm writing this from Firefox, where everything is virtually instantaneous. It does everything in the blink of an eye. Same with Edge. It's just a mystery to me why people put up with this.
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@benice said in Very slow to make window from tab:
Why not just make a native UI like everyone else?
Because that would make the range of Vivaldi options and customizations impossible. The REASON Vivaldi is what it is is due to its web-technologies UI.
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Edge seems to be offering a lot of customizability these days and it doesn't have to do that.
My guess is the vast majority of people pick up Vivaldi for a while before they realize how crazy slow it is. The tradeoff is not worth it anymore. I was a diehard Vivaldi fan for a while but I am finished. The fact that you all just accept thisamount of lag for the minor features Vivaldi offers is absurd.
You guys aught to get your priorities straight.
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@benice Edge has the advantage of hundreds of developers, and of literally being built-in/incorporated into the operating system by the builders of the operating system.
I don't accept any amount of lag. I don't have any lag. My appreciation for the several minutes, even up to hours, Vivaldi saves me in my work every day is not "absurd."
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@benice said in Very slow to make window from tab:
My guess is the vast majority of people pick up Vivaldi for a while before they realize how crazy slow it is.
My guess is that the vast majority of people do not find it slow at all. I agree that 15 seconds is slow, but we don't see that amount of lag.
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I do not find vivaldi slow at all and i can detach a tab in 2 seconds flat and is consistent,my computer is relatively old too.
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@benice said in Very slow to make window from tab:
dragging this very tab out takes up to 15 seconds to fully load as a separate window.
Less than a second here. I wonder what the difference is?
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@benice said in Very slow to make window from tab:
The fact that you all just accept thisamount of lag for the minor features Vivaldi offers is absurd.
15 seconds lag is unheard of and I agree that it's unacceptable. The thing is, it looks to be an issue specific to your computer. Here it takes less than a second to launch a new window from the tab (using the latest Snapshot) and ~1 second for the page to fully render. So about 2 seconds in total - and that's in a browser with a lot of opened tabs, long browsing history, lots of bookmarks and a handful of extensions.
When it comes to speed, it's not just how fast are the windows rendered. With some of those "minor" features you get in Vivaldi, you can do the same, repetitive tasks much faster than in other browsers - for example, opening/closing new tabs, opening bookmarks, etc. So, whatever you "lose" while waiting that extra second or two for the window to launch, you get back after performing just a couple of mouse gestures or launching a few quick commands.
As for the main issue, please take a look at the troubleshooting issues guide, and see if there's anything on that list that you haven't tried yet, and let us know of your results.
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I'm currently not experiencing any of that, so that is not true for everyone. Opening and closing tabs and everything else you mentioned are all noticeably slower in Vivaldi than other browsers. It is just clear that Vivaldi is always lagging behind. It's very sad. If it's specific to my computer why do so many other people report this, and why do no other browsers have this issue? The truth here is that it's a problem with Vivaldi that doesn't play as well with as many machines as the other browsers do. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with my setup, with now 64GB ram. I don't think it's me.
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@benice There are other reports, like this one, but some people complain about 1-2 seconds.
The most common cause from my observations seems to be antivirus software. Try disabling that to test. Windows Defender and Firewall are good enough IMO. I do not use anything else, apart from running Malwarebytes once in a blue moon, and that almost never finds anything.
If the problem does not occur in a guest profile, then you can be sure that the issue is at your end.
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@benice said in Very slow to make window from tab:
Opening and closing tabs and everything else you mentioned are all noticeably slower in Vivaldi than other browsers. It is just clear that Vivaldi is always lagging behind.
That's not true. The truth is - sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. For example, Vivaldi takes about 0,5 seconds to load a new tab (default Speed Dial), whereas Edge takes more than 2 seconds to fully load its default bloat on the new tab. Launching new windows is quicker in Edge, but the difference is not important to me if I can't use a mouse gesture to do that. At the end of the day, it comes down to whether you're valuing those milliseconds more than the features you get with the "slower" browser. And there will be different answers for different people, I imagine.
@benice said in Very slow to make window from tab:
why do so many other people report this, and why do no other browsers have this issue
Both statements seem incorrect to me. There are not that many people who report this (and even fewer who make truly comprehensive reports), and then there are people who experience similar issues in other browsers. It all comes down to troubleshooting and one's preferences, as already mentioned by @Pesala.
We're not sitting in front of your computer, so we can't tell whether there's actually something wrong with it - only you can tell us about your experience, and we try to work from there. We're trying to guess what the real issue is here. It's not always obvious - contrary to what many people seem to think. -
We're not sitting in front of your computer, so we can't tell whether there's actually something wrong with it - only you can tell us about your experience, and we try to work from there. We're trying to guess what the real issue is here. It's not always obvious - contrary to what many people seem to think.
Cannot emphasize enough, how important this comment is. I can no longer count the number of issue reports that have been literally impossible to diagnose without the offending machine at hand. Unfortunately, if the user can't help us, we can't help them.
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This entire thread has degenerated. It has nothing to do with antivirus software (lol) or anything else you guys mention, I tried it all to no avail. You guys have so much resistance to accepting that anything could be wrong with your software and blame it all on the users. It's sad, and not the way programming works. You guys deny things that are actually true as if saying "it's not true" makes it so.
But whatever.
I ended up buying a $6k rig that handles vivaldi's ridiculous slowness better than my old machine, so let's forget about all of this.
I'm getting really tired of this culture in vivaldi that "it works for me so it's not an issue". This is just so pointless, I've never seen so much circlejerking in any software community. Like what in the hell is going on in this place?
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@benice Yes, the user interface is slow compared to other Chromium browsers.
Creation of UI by React, CSS, JS and HTML and complicated internal UI design makes the interface slow, and some issues with Vivaldi and GPUs make that worse.
Vivaldi's performance is sometimes bad for some users and has to be improved.The only way to get rid of this:
Switch to an other browser
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Report bugs to Vivaldi's bug tracker with sufficient hardware & software information and descriptive steps how to reproduce the issue.Under other circumstances i would have asked with from a longer list about your system. But i fear more toxic reaction if i would do.
But unfortunately you tend to be angry or sarcastic instead of giving helpful answers. Feels for me like you are bashing. And i do not want to get punches while trying to help - i wish you a farewell.
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@doctorg I don't have a hundred years to spend troubleshooting with devs for every piece of software I use. This problem has been solved as I've upgraded to a seriously mean machine that can handle anything including Vivaldi's... quirks... so I really couldn't care less about this anymore.
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@benice said in Very slow to make window from tab:
I don't have a hundred years to spend troubleshooting with devs for every piece of software I use.
I agree, normal users do not have much time to spend.
This problem has been solved as I've upgraded to a seriously mean machine
Really? You bought progressive hardware? I thought that your remark about 6000 $ PC hardware was a sarcastic joke.
so I really couldn't care less about this anymore.
Oh, means: you will stay here? I had the feeling you were leaving Vivaldi community.
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@benice said in Very slow to make window from tab:
You guys have so much resistance to accepting that anything could be wrong with your software and blame it all on the users.
The truth is, in the vast majority of cases, we've managed to help people solve similar problems by telling them what they can change on their end, and it worked.
You seem to have stumbled upon an issue that nobody else was experiencing, and instead of cooperating by providing useful information about your environment, you've spent your effort trying to prove that everybody else is wrong. What was the point? In the end, nobody got anything out of it.@benice said in Very slow to make window from tab:
"it works for me so it's not an issue"
"It works for me, so it's not a universal issue" - that's a very important detail that you're missing - and that's what we've been trying to explain. Nobody claims that the software is without fault - but until an issue happens universally (for all users), it's not a given to be the software's fault. And no, "I've seen other people complaining about this" is not a valid argument.
People use all kinds of rigs and all kinds of software, so it's not uncommon for a group of people to experience an issue that nobody else experiences. In some cases, it could be the browser's fault, but in many others, there are other factors which turn out to be the actual culprit. But unless somebody is willing to cooperate, follow the instructions, and provide necessary information when asked to, then there's only so much we can do to try to help them.
