FTP is not available

Rhino_Cracker

My Vivaldi can no longer access FTP.
It wants me to tell an external app with which it can open ftp:// links...
How do I fix this?
Has FTP-Support been dropped in Vivaldi???

I use this as an easy and cloud-free self-hosted "single click to share files with friends" solution (copy to free dir in homeftp, copy link to file to clipboard).
Please tell me, you didn't drop ftp-support! I don't want to be forced to switch to online 1 click file hosters....

Conclusions of the Thread:

Chrome, Vivaldi and FireFox (so at most all browsers) dropped FTP-Support
Best way to use FTP would be another application like FileZilla, FTPRush or FlashFXP
If another application does not fit, you can (at the time of writing: January 2023) use Windows Explorer as described on page 2

Priest72

Port 554 has been blocked in the chromium base.mitigate NAT Slipstream 2.0 attacks.
Not sure if it can be enabled via vivald://flags.

Rhino_Cracker

the blocked port has nothing to do with it: it uses other ports (usually 21, in my case a totally different custom one)
but Vivaldi:flags is the right place

Pathduck

@Rhino_Cracker You have to set a flag: chrome://flags/#enable-ftp

Works for me on for instance ftp://ftp.sunet.se

Rhino_Cracker

solved it by myself. sry for fast posting
How to fix ftp:// support (currently):

Go to vivaldi:flags
search for "ftp", enable it and restart Vivaldi (I pressed the then occuring "relaunch" button)

My appeal to the Vivaldi devs: please don't drop ftp support!
We need to keep that easy file sharing method, that has prooven over decades, alive!

Priest72

@Rhino_Cracker ok perhaps not for now but wait until the flag is removed altogether then we'll see.

Pathduck

@Rhino_Cracker Yes. But also you should be aware of:
https://chromestatus.com/feature/6246151319715840

M91
FTP support removed from codebase.

Maybe Vivaldi devs will add their own FTP implementation but I wouldn't keep my hopes up. It's sad, as FTP is still one of the original internet protocols and still used by a lot of people. But Chromium devs just look at their statistics and say "we only care about what the majority uses".

Rhino_Cracker

@Pathduck said in FTP:

Maybe Vivaldi devs will add their own FTP implementation but I wouldn't keep my hopes up.

I hope with all my might, that at least vivaldi will keep native ftp support.
This method will die out, if I have to tell my non-IT-friends to "install vivaldi and go to dev settings" to simply get a file behind a link...

They could maybe just copy chromium's current implementation?
Another idea: rumors say, that the total rewrite of FtpRush (one of the best ftp clients) to V3 uses a DLL with all ftp-stuff inside. This might be an easy way to have ftp maintained by a third party.

Pathduck

Mozilla is also dropping FTP support in Firefox
https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/04/13/what-to-expect-for-the-upcoming-deprecation-of-ftp-in-firefox/

It just shows a complete disregard for the history of the net by arrogant developers focusing on their stupid telemetry data.

Rhino_Cracker

well, if the majority of browser devs goes an anti-ftp-course, it might be the easiest to tell downloaders:

Install FtpRush v2
Open it
Copy the link to clipboard, FtpRush should ask to connect to it automatically

Maybe I can register a custom protocol entry for ftp:// to execute

C:\Path\to\ftrush.exe -c"%link%"

which will just connect to the place where the file lives.

However, at least the 2nd method requires that the downloader has listing rights in the directory

Rhino_Cracker

Currently I made ftp work with the most recent version of Vivaldi (4.2.2406.48 (Stable channel) (64-Bit)) doing the following:

vivaldi://flags/#temporary-unexpire-flags-m91 activate that flag and restart Vivaldi.
vivaldi://flags/#enable-ftp activate that flag and restart Vivaldi, again.

DoctorG

@rhino_cracker said in FTP is not available:

FtpRush

Or WinSCP (whch can transfer by FTP(S), SSH, telnet).

DoctorG

@rhino_cracker In Vivaldi 4.3 with Chromium 94 FTP is removed and can not be reenabled by temporay flags.

Rhino_Cracker

We had to use InternetExplorer right now, to access ftp://sourceware.org/pub/newlib/ .

Looks like the flag has finally been removed

DoctorG

@rhino_cracker Yes, the feature FTP and the flag was removed from Vivaldi.

RSD

If you just want a "cloud-free self-hosted "single click to share files with friends" solution", why don't you use an http server?
I use HFS as a file server.

vivaldihulking

Hey Vivaldi developers! If I wanted to use chromium, I would use chromium. Bring FTP back. Firefox was once a total dominator who faded to obscurity because "majority" didnt need "features". You wont beat competiros by becoming a mirror of them.
Stop removing your only reason to exist - having more than them.
Or die.
Remeber: you only exist because you have something that they dont have. Or you will be all looking for a job. You already screwed by not having AppImages. You WILL fail if you become another Chrome.

If I have to install FileZilla now, because no browser supports FTP - I can as well just change a browser. At least I have AppImages for any other one.

Firefox died parroting CHrome to the point you cant tell them apart. Maybe you should learn on other's mistakes, it would be shame if you have to start tiktok dancing for a living.

WildEnte

@vivaldihulking welcome to the forum!

There is no more FTP support in Chromium or Firefox. The protocol is insecure and thus a potential security issue for average users. It's best to use a separate program for ftp like you do.

I'm sure the Vivaldi team appreciates your thoughts on the Vivaldi product development strategy with FTP support at the center.

DoctorG

@vivaldihulking We all have our pet bugs ans wises for a browser.
But Vivaldi will not add a FTP client again.

WinSCP is a good client for FTP (works with FTPS, too) and SSH.

Dancer18

I used FTP to manage files and folders, in Windows with the file manager Total Commander, and in Linux with the file manager Nemo.

For me, file managers are the most useful apps for that. I would never have thought of using a browser for that (except that back in the day Windows Explorer was very similar to Internet Explorer).