I *want* to believe her, but...
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@ascaris said in I *want* to believe her, but...:
Vivaldi is really the only decent choice among the Chrom* family IMO, and it keeps getting better.
Yeah, I agree. But Firefox is still the
bestonly alternative for the chromium-based browsers and it has (imo) better built-in security/privacy settings. BTW we have a thread about Firefox here:
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@catweazle Thanks for the tip. I've tried that, among several other extensions (not at the same time of course). Some of the addons get it to a nicer state than it is stock, but it's not like Firefox.
I don't want to hijack the thread, but if there is some combination of settings that makes Vivaldi as nice in scrolling on a touchpad as Firefox, I would very much like to know what they are. I may have missed something in my attempts to find a solution to the poor scrolling!
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@ascaris said in I *want* to believe her, but...:
Mozilla has forsaken its actual user base (and shown outright hostility to us) while trying to lure away the Chrome users who are the least likely to change browsers. Mozilla thinks that if they remove enough features that Chrome doesn't have, and if they make their product as unremarkable and indistinguishable from Chrome as possible, somehow the users who are the most happy with Chrome will come over to Firefox (because at that point Firefox will be exactly like Chrome, so why not?).
Seems to be a common story: Product A is more popular than Product B. To become more popular: Product B become more like Product A, and less like Product B.
It backfires: Product B's uses don't like that New Product B, because if they wanted to use Product A they'd be using Product A. And Product A's users are happy with Product A, so they have no reason to switch to New Product B.
Here are three examples of that story: New Coke, Opera, the video-game RuneScape. In all three cases: The product changed to be like the more popular competitors, and the company backtracked on the changes because people didn't like them.
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Q: How to destroy your formidable competitor without looking like an anti-competitive super evil villain, while making your competitor go down like a lead balloon?
A: Send a rogue CEO to your competitor, & destroy it from the top all the way to the bottom.
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@dude99 Wait, are we talking Nokia here?
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@luetage History always repeat itself. Yahoo, Marvel, Lucasfilm, Netflix, & many more. US of ... (playing X-file theme song)
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@guigirl Don't worry, at the end Big G will become the hero that "save" the woke fox when it's going down... Then dump it's remaining into the bottomless ocean when no one is watching. LOL
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@stardust said in I *want* to believe her, but...:
@guigirl Exactly! What next feature they want to remove? Bookmarks!?
or middleclick autoscroll!?Maybe they should add more useful features instead?
Also their market share is not great why provoke the remaining loyal users. I guess most of them are power users...The remaining users would not be power users. They got ticked off and left when Mozilla started taking away features and introduced the Australis interface.
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@guigirl
When Mozilla started dumbing down Firefox because Google dumbed down Chrome, a lot of users left. Some of us are not stupid, and we resent being treated as if we are.
I agree about some of the features that are desirable. SeaMonkey and Pale Moon (or White Star on a Mac) have about:config.
What do you mean by Total Cookie Protection? Most decent browsers allow one to have a certain setting by default and then make exceptions.
As to tracking protection, SeaMonkey has that, but Pale Moon does not. (But I have extensions for that.)
I dislike autoscroll. SeaMonkey and Pale Moon have it available, but I found it hard to control.
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@ascaris As a Firefox user since Firefox v1.5, I wholeheartedly agree with you. You have pretty much explained all of my feelings. I've came to conclusion that Firefox will keep removing more features (that power users mostly stay for) and become a Chrome clone instead. Their last change of forcibly removing compact mode, icons and making everything massive with paddings like tabs and context menus was the tipping point for me. I can no longer support a browser company that never care about their users.
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