Flash per site

rcarter515

Have version 3.3.2022.47 (Stable channel) (64-bit) with latest Flashplayer but can't save Flash setting for a particular site while in a private window. Doesn't ask to allow but activates if I chose allow. But a revisit of the site doesn't ask and the site setting is once more set to Ask. Was using a version V2 of Vivaldi because the speed on V3 was so slow and the setting for a Flash site worked in private mode.

Ice007

Adobe Flash? Thats Spyware... deinstall it and HTML5 does the same job.
(Vivaldi does this "out of the box" - you must install nothing!)

Pathduck

@rcarter515 It's still possible to have the Flash allow setting remembered, but since Flash is being "retired" very soon now the developers are making things really hard for us who still have an occasional need for it.

It's not really the Vivaldi team's fault, as this forcing of the user's hand comes from the Chromium project and its tendency to treats its users as idiots who must be protected from themselves.

Here's some reading on the topic:
https://www.maketecheasier.com/browsers-ending-flash-support/
https://blog.google/products/chrome/saying-goodbye-flash-chrome/
https://www.chromium.org/flash-roadmap

Unfortunately, Vivaldi being based on Chromium it will most likely follow the same path when the time comes.

A workaround that will work for now:
https://www.chromium.org/administrators/policy-list-3#PluginsAllowedForUrls
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/39835/latest-vivaldi-update-flash-handling-at-facebook

BoneTone

@Pathduck said in Flash per site:

forcing of the user's hand comes from the Chromium project

I think it's more about forcing web developers hands to finally deprecate this anachronistic technology and use modern solutions that do the jobs better. Unfortunately, some people do need to be forced into using better tools and practices.

Priest72

@BoneTone No.
Modern technology does not do it better at all.Some of the gamesites i use notably escape games etc are very abundant and i see no equivalent in modern technology.

I am keeping older browsers around so i can still use flash on those sites.I could not care less what google or anyone else "deems" unfit or unsafe.

I have used flash for years and never had any sort of security incident.But HTML5 just does not cut the mustard in terms of adventure and escape games.

Flash stays until all flash sites themselves fail to load.

BoneTone

@Priest72 said in Flash per site:

I have used flash for years and never had any sort of security incident.

This is never a wise method for judging security.
HTML5 is but one of many of the better solutions available to developers, depending upon what they're trying to do. It's not just Google and browser developers, Adobe itself is ending support and will no longer offer Flash for download. Developers will either switch to better technologies, or be replaced by those that do. Game development will not cease, it'll move forward just like it always has.

LonM

@Priest72 If you're worried about losing old games i'd recommend looking at https://bluemaxima.org/flashpoint/

Priest72

@BoneTone Well your entitled to your opinion of course but i do not share it.
Until the certain flash sites i use shut the door permanently then i shall carry on using flash.I don't think adobe quite realises how much flash content is still out there and that includes commercial as well as public sectors.

When i used the windows operating system i was brainwashed into believing an antivirus was crucial and needed,So your av downloads countless hundreds of signatures in the guise of protecting you,well i never once had an alert unless i specifically when looking for malware.
Eugene kaspersky and others feed off people's fear and there is a reason eugene is a billionaire and we mere mortals are not.

BoneTone

@Priest72 said in Flash per site:

@BoneTone Well your entitled to your opinion of course but i do not share it.
Until the certain flash sites i use shut the door permanently then i shall carry on using flash. I don't think adobe quite realises how much flash content is still out there and that includes commercial as well as public sectors.

It's not my opinion, it's just the state of things. I'm certain Adobe is well aware of how few users will be truly affected by this. I recall about 2 years ago there were only ~17% of users who even saw a piece of Flash, let alone wanted or needed to use it. It's even fewer now.

I was going to bring up the Flashpoint site archiving the legacy Flash around the web that @LonM linked, but I couldn't recall its name. That'll be a good resource for anyone whose favorite games go missing. Articles over the past couple years have been suggesting users download the Flash files so they have them for safe keeping and to be able to run them locally. As well as usual a legacy browser they use solely for the purpose of using Flash.

I'd also like to reiterate my primary point which seems to have been overlooked. Adobe & the browsers aren't doing this to force users to stop using Flash, but to drive developers to use better technologies. Users don't really care -- they just want to access their desired content. Precisely how that content is created & delivered is on the minds of very few users. Come 2021, content delivered through Flash will begin another sharp decline, to become almost extinct. The gaming industry, however, is not going extinct, and legacy games with enough popularity will be ported to new, safer technology. This is a good thing.