Privacy and the rise of the alternative search engine
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@pathduck said:
And I like how you only set a single cookie, with only a deleted value
We only set this cookie when you change preferences. By default we don’t create any cookies.
But: "Saetre, NO - detected automatically" - Do we really need to see this everywhere?
Sorry about this, yes it’s to improve your search experience but unfortunately the automatic detection isn’t perfect. However, you can set it to any country or disable it completely in preferences.
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@FinnBrownbill This doesn't work:
"how to use dot notation to access json dict in python"
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@lonm: Just a hunch but can you try searching for “how to use dot notation to access” and let us know if that works.
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@FinnBrownbill huh. That works. It doesn't seem to like "dict" or "json" as search terms.
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@LonM Are you using this a custom search or directly from the page. I suspect the site may be checking referrer headers to see if they come from the site itself. It they don't, it throws a 403.
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@LonM also seems that by using mojeek as search engine in Vivaldi the resulting URL is
https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=how to use dot notation to access json dict in python
while searching it from the mojeek input fields the URL is
https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=how+to+use+dot+notation+to+access+json+dict+in+python
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@iAN-CooG Good find! I told 'em to use pluses for encoding query spaces!
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Mojeek may be a private search engine, but it lacks many configuration options (UI and others), at the moment I keep Startpage
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Its not how much Google is earning, but what that earning is going to trouble us, other than envy. If I use Google as the search engine, it one way or other knows what I am looking for, and if Google has algorithms, it'd help me in that. What's wrong with that?
Then, the bank knows, where I am, what I buy, and so on as I use a card. The phone service provider knows where I am at a given time, so it can send me a call, or a message. The web browser also knows where I am, if I need personalised info such as weather, etc. If I get lost, Google maps would show me the correct way. What's wrong with that?
It most probably knows my name, my age and my address, but I don't see any reason to be worried about that, unless it sells that info to some rogues, who steal my money (which is not much) from the bank. But the bank has its 3-way checking system these days, thanks to the EU regulations.
In today's world, one cannot stay completely private, completely anonymous, except if one decides to live in a jungle or live without all kinds of today's pluses, cards, cars, mobile phones, computers etc.
One can't be all that paranoid. One must somehow trust one's government. Or, leave that country.
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It's comfortable when Google already knows what you're going to look for, but the problem is that it can get you into something called a bubble filter.
This prevents you from finding other results when relegated to subsequent pages in the search results. It is finally the same as asking someone who always tells you that you are right, even if you are not.
Apart from that you never know in what hands your activities on the network end, since Google traffics with this data -
@Catweazle said in Privacy and the rise of the alternative search engine:
Apart from that you never know in what hands your activities on the network end, since Google traffics with this data
This is a serious allegation that has to be proved, especially the words "Google traffics."
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@chdsl said in Privacy and the rise of the alternative search engine:
@Catweazle said in Privacy and the rise of the alternative search engine:
Apart from that you never know in what hands your activities on the network end, since Google traffics with this data
This is a serious allegation that has to be proved, especially the words "Google traffics."
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@Catweazle said in Privacy and the rise of the alternative search engine:
@chdsl said in Privacy and the rise of the alternative search engine:
@Catweazle said in Privacy and the rise of the alternative search engine:
Apart from that you never know in what hands your activities on the network end, since Google traffics with this data
This is a serious allegation that has to be proved, especially the words "Google traffics."
Quora is not the one, who made the allegation here. Also, Quora is an open platform, where anyone can say anything. If this kind of thing is proven, Google would've been closed down long ago. There are all kinds of government, EU etc agencies all over the world keeping an eye on all kinds of business entities, and if they break rules/laws, they persecuted and fined.
But, when someone makes a statement, sometimes a dangerous statement, one has to prove it, otherwise much better not to say something that can't be proven.
We are getting a free search service, so we don't have to sit in the library days. We are getting free browsers, so we can sit on our back in the comfort of our homes browse for everything, pay for goods, chat with friends and even find one's better half for life. But, we go on finding holes in everything. Just imagine, how many servers have to be run, how many scientists to create algorithms, How much staff have to be employed and so on and on. Whose going to pay for all that? I am actually thankful that Google is there. My life had become easier, very much easier.
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Google obviously has to be financed for the excellent services it offers, but not for nothing has it been reported multiple times for violating the EC's privacy policy. Not me It matters if Google knows some things about me, making suggestions on YT according to my likes and the like, but up to a certain limit. Although Google sells my data to advertisers anonymously, These in turn do not necessarily adhere to certain standards, if they know for example my exact location and other metadata resulting from my searches. I also don't like that they read my mail, even if it's just in an automated way, looking for keywords, which can easily lead to misunderstandings (in Spanish "bomba" can mean a pump to draw water or also an explosive).One thing is to use user data to pay for it, which is legitimate to some extent and another to be too intertwined with the data and track all my activity on the network "to improve the user experience". This may be legitimate under US law, but not for the EU and for me either.
The author of the excellent blog article apart thinks similarly. -
Now that we all have shot in about Google, we should ask what Google (aka Alphabet) is. They are not only a search provider but have their fingers in various businesses.
Several are described the video I've linked in my blog together with a little rant some years ago. Even if they don't sell the data to others outside of their own network (which I personally doubt), they can interlink enough data to make the living of individuals to hell, e.g.:
- If they believe (or better: their AI believes) you are living an unhealthy lifestyle the health insurance will not accept you as a low risk and adapt the price - even if it is not true that you are living an unhealthy lifestyle.
- If you are using an Android Phone with Chrome on it, maybe they are saving your movement profile, of course only to make sure you don't lose yourself (honi soit ...), despite they only needed to track your phone at the moment when you ask google for help finding your way home and delete that data afterwards.
Fact is, Google stores vast amounts of personal data.
This data wants to be used - and I can't see that they don't use it, because they wouldn't store it if they didn't want to use it in the first place. -
Certainly privacy ends at the same time when we access the internet, the only thing we can do is limit the data that is collected about us, restricting them to the minimum.
Google certainly offers top quality services and many of them do not have a real alternative, such as YouTube or Maps,
There are others, such as Dailymotion, Metacafé, etc., but they do not even have the functionality and content of YT.
With the maps something similar happens, there we can choose between OpenStreet Map, although much more shabby or those of Bing, with which we pass the data to Microsoft.
If we also participate in Facebook or / and use WhatsApp and Instagram, we can now go directly with a sign with our curriculum vitae down the street.
Therefore using all the means at our disposal, such as ad and scriptblocker, fingerprint spoofer, private search engine, etc. It is pure self defense and our right to put a curtain on our street window.
We do not always have to trust the honesty of a multinational, as well as in the past when Facebook had to withdraw an app for smartphone that could access the camera and micro of the mobile, without the user's consent, since they specified it in their conditions of Use, that nobody bothers to read. -
@Catweazle said in Privacy and the rise of the alternative search engine:
With the maps something similar happens, there we can choose between OpenStreet Map, although much more shabby or those of Bing, with which we pass the data to Microsoft.
yandex maps (they don't care about you, maybe unless you live in Russia), HERE maps etc. pp. Maps are not the problem.
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@QuHno said in Privacy and the rise of the alternative search engine:
@Catweazle said in Privacy and the rise of the alternative search engine:
With the maps something similar happens, there we can choose between OpenStreet Map, although much more shabby or those of Bing, with which we pass the data to Microsoft.
yandex maps (they don't care about you, maybe unless you live in Russia), HERE maps etc. pp. Maps are not the problem.
Yandex maps are not accurate in Europe. Bing Maps are more or less accurate, but OpenStreet Maps are not that accurate.
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@QuHno said in Privacy and the rise of the alternative search engine:
@Catweazle said in Privacy and the rise of the alternative search engine:
With the maps something similar happens, there we can choose between OpenStreet Map, although much more shabby or those of Bing, with which we pass the data to Microsoft.
yandex maps (they don't care about you, maybe unless you live in Russia), HERE maps etc. pp. Maps are not the problem.
HERE Maps are of MS, default map in WindowsPhone., but is the same, nor of tem like Google Maps