What is stopping you from using V all the time?
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@ Pesala;
From the bookmarks page, if you click Import and then the drop down menu for the browser list Vivaldi is listed with the other browsers, which I think is what davesnothere is referring to ?
Why would you want to import bookmarks from Vivaldi to Vivaldi? It doesn't make any sense.
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Myself too I'm quite pessimistic about the ability of any Chromium based browser to be snappy.
In the recent days there's some hope though, as I'm trying out the Baidu Browser, which seems to be quite responsive and quick – much better than Chroimum, actually quite close to Palemoon's performance.
So maybe Vivaldi can make it too...
Ik hoop het! 
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@ Pesala;
Exactly. I don't want to import from Vivaldi to Vivaldi, but tried it after I read davesnothere's post. Makes no sense to me either, but the option is there.
It's no problem. More curious than anything.
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Well, hopefully the option to export to HTML will be added in the future. Just seems the easiest way to me.
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To clarify, MY interpretation of that menu choice is that we might be able to use it to import from another Vivaldi installation, which I believe that I did say earlier.
Import and export from/to vivaldi (the ones from quick commands) are about settings not bookmarks.
The import function from V->file->import, I believe, is meant to import the Vivaldi bookmarks/history/passwords from the default install path to a different vivaldi installation, say a standalone or portable. That makes sense to me.
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All a bit clearer to me now. Good input and info from all concerned and good to see that, maybe, exporting settings (including bookmarks) could be on the horizon. Fingers crossed. Although syncing plays a big part in backing up nowadays, which is fine, it's still good to be able to save stuff to a file. Old habits and all that.
Thanks again.
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Trying to use V often but tend to revert to O12.17 a lot.
Mail client coming soon - great. Just make it compatible with importing from Opera 12x (or maybe simply drop in the 'mail' folder?).
Like the Opera touches like page zoom bar, display/hide images, hide/display sidebar, plus the new 'Page Actions' options - cool.
Would likes:
Customizable UI - add/delete/arrange buttons (above all a Bookmarks button in the navigation pane).
Bookmarks drive me insane - must to sortable in various ways and easier to add into a specific folder from the address bar.
Bookmark nicknames do not work for me.
Extensions (but I guess these will be developed by Dev's over time).
Session manager.
Password button and ctrl+enter option.
Drop down page history button viz good 'ol Opera.
Resizable Speed Dial panes so I can fit like 30 without scrolling.
Opera 29 has a nice feature of selectable views for the Speed Dial panes (e.g. display simply the primary URL in a coloured pane rather than a snapshot of the actual site (this saves on the need for a narrative underneath each pane).
Display page loading progress (number of elements / images etc) within the address bar option (I interact with many slow networks and would like to have an idea of progress).Cosmetics:
Tabs are all squared off and boring - Opera has appealing rounded edges (or maybe that's just the skin I'm using?)
Skins!Get (particularly) Bookmarks and Speed Dial sorted out plus the mail client, and I will probably make a full time switch to V.
I am very optimistic about this Browser.
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As incredible as it may seem, I actually forgot that MANY users are still on Opera 12.17 et prior, and that they have built-in email.
Hence, I kept asking myself, "why do people keep saying lack of email has something to do with their failure to migrate fully to Vivalid? NO browser has email any more, so what does that have to do with it?" And then I realized that, wait, there are people married to a browser that DOES have email, and that's OldeOpera!
Unfortunately, tho I am DYING to have email in my browser again, I did not mention this as a pre-req for my adopting Vivaldi as a default, since I already DID make it default over three months ago, jumping from Opium, which, of course, did not have email either. My default email client, in case anyone wants to know, is OPERA 12.17, since the greybeards in the the ivory towers over at Opera ASA never saw fit to fix their stupid damn installer for the Opera Mail app so that it could be set as MAPI client. Hence, the only smooth and intuitive email client I can have as MAPI is Opera 12.17. VIVALDI DEVELOPERS, PLEASE RESCUE ME FROM THIS!!
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Hence, I kept asking myself, "why do people keep saying lack of email has something to do with their failure to migrate fully to Vivalid? NO browser has email any more, so what does that have to do with it?"
That's not quite right. Seamonkey is a browser suite, which integrates a full featured mail and news client (and a feed reader, an IRC client and a HTML editor).
Unlike Opera 12, it is maintained and updated to support current web standards. It also has a smaller footprint than all the chromium based browsers, the installation size is below 75 MB with half of it being the XUL renderer. Vivaldi TP3 is at least doubling that.
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Hence, I kept asking myself, "why do people keep saying lack of email has something to do with their failure to migrate fully to Vivalid? NO browser has email any more, so what does that have to do with it?"
That's not quite right. Seamonkey is a browser suite, which integrates a full featured mail and news client (and a feed reader, an IRC client and a HTML editor).
Unlike Opera 12, it is maintained and updated to support current web standards. It also has a smaller footprint than all the chromium based browsers, the installation size is below 75 MB with half of it being the XUL renderer. Vivaldi TP3 is at least doubling that.
This is a common error in thinking. The mail client in Seamonkey is in no way actually integrated. It does not share the interface with the browser at all. Ever. It installs at the same time as the browser, can easily be switched to from the browser, and shows new mail notifications in the browser interface, and that is the extend of the "integration." It is not possible to see your mail folders/lists and the web or browser tabs at the same time, and hence there is no integration.
I actually have a more visually "integrated" experience by using the right 75% of my screen for Vivaldi and the left 25% for Opera Mail (folders and mail list visible) with the two apps overlapped such that when the browser is focused I can see mail folders and list, and when the mail is focused, I can see browser tabs (and if I wished, panel as well).
When actual mail integration returns to the web in Vivaldi, that is the type of access a user will have - mail to one side and always visible, at the same time bookmarks and tabs are visible in the same interface, with the only swtiching being between whether the central display of the UI is showing the web, or the content of an email.
People need to stop saying SeaMonkey is an integrated mail/browser solution. It's not. It's just one installer for two co-branded, switchable apps that you can open at the same time from a single desktop shortcut.
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This is a common error in thinking. The mail client in Seamonkey is in no way actually integrated. It does not share the interface with the browser at all. Ever. It installs at the same time as the browser, can easily be switched to from the browser, and shows new mail notifications in the browser interface, and that is the extend of the "integration." It is not possible to see your mail folders/lists and the web or browser tabs at the same time, and hence there is no integration.
Just enter chrome://messenger/content/messenger.xul into the address bar of of the Seamonkey browser. That's what I meant. From a technical viewpoint the mailer is completely integrated. It's just rendered into a separate window.
Of course, the user interface is very different from Opera, it resembles the Netscape legacy, which BTW had not tabs and and no sidebar. The current user base likes it this way and the developers don't seem to have any intentions to alienate it like Opera ASA, so it won't change.
With a bit of XUL magic this could be customized without having to solve huge technical problems, because the mail client is already there. Actually turning the Seamonkey UI into an Opera clone may be even less effort than turning Chromium into one or trying to reimplement everything from scratch like Otter.
People need to stop saying SeaMonkey is an integrated mail/browser solution. It's not. It's just one installer for two co-branded, switchable apps that you can open at the same time from a single desktop shortcut.
Seamonkey is a single application with a UNIX-style multiple-window interface. Yes, no MDI available and tabs only inside the browser. But there is no separate applications nor co-branding going on.
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It would seem you are right - there are not two apps. There is only one primary .exe - which in a way makes it worse, since a true MDI implementation is not even NEEDED - all they have to do is implement a mail panel. But for some reason, they won't do it. So you have a single .exe masquerading as two distinct apps. Perhaps they can't do multi-threading in a way that allows browsing and mail to function at the same time, and so they prevent you from having both open at one - which, still, is an absence of integration.
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Seamonkey is a single application with a UNIX-style multiple-window interface. Yes, no MDI available and tabs only inside the browser. But there is no separate applications nor co-branding going on.
In short they are two different applications badly glued together, no matter the technical details about how this is done.
I can't see any advantage using Seamonkey over Operamail + Vivaldi
With a bit of XUL magic this could be customized without having to solve huge technical problems, because the mail client is already there.
Even doing it it's still the netscape communicator email client, a program from another era that has nothing to do with a modern email client like M2
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Even doing it it's still the netscape communicator email client, a program from another era that has nothing to do with a modern email client like M2
Well, there's nothing "modern email clients" can do that SeaMonkey email app can't do, but still, the very fact that it can't share UI disqualifies it as a supposedly "integrated" email client. In fact, it is qualified as an IMAP client, which is more than the most recent iteration of "Opera Mail" can do.
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Well, there's nothing "modern email clients" can do that SeaMonkey email app can't do
Well… IMAP idle and dynamic folders, just to mention two things...
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For me it's Notes, they aren't slick enough yet. I use notes a lot, they change regularly and I want to be able to rearrange them. At the moment we can't drag & drop or cut & paste them so I have to use another browser to do that. Also I can double click an 'Add to new note' but not 'Add a note folder'. There's other things I'm waiting and wishing for but it's Notes that stop me using Vivaldi all the time.
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Well, there's nothing "modern email clients" can do that SeaMonkey email app can't do
Well… IMAP idle and dynamic folders, just to mention two things...
OK
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I'm generally quite pessimistic about Chromium based browsers too, but in the recent days I'm giving a go to Baidu Browser by the big Chinese search provider.
I'm quite impressed by the felling of responsiveness Baidu Browser gives, so I have some hopes that Vivaldi can make it too -
What is stopping me?
Lack of Widevine-plugin. I am on Win7, if anyone have any ideas on how to fix this, let me know.
Also, the ability to set open in background tab as default. The middle mouse button only works occasionally for me.That said, Mouse gestures, OH how I have missed you!
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Showstoppers for general use for me? Lack of:
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- Detailed per-site preferences (including CSS)
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- UserJS (unless that's possible already? Not documented, at any rate…)
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- content blocking
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- Allowance of bookmarklet buttons.
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- Allowance of bookmarklet buttons.
In order to actually use this for professional work, element inspector improvements over the stock Chrome DevTools element inspector that would be greatly appreciated:
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Search-by-word filtering of invoked CSS statements and computed style values for the selected element(and for that matter, simultaneous display of both CSS rules that apply to the selected element and computed CSS values in one pane, as Opera Dragonfly had it. Edit: It has a filter field. Either that was later added or I was blind. It's currently above the CSS list in Vivaldi, and below it in current Chrome, suggesting different DevTool versions
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- Realtime (truly realtime, as in "as you type") results as you edit elements' HTML in the DOM panel like Opera 12's Dragonfly did;
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- Saner display of content in the element inspector without extraneous quotation marks,
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- Buttons like Dragonfly element inspector's: expand/collapse DOM tree, export the current DOM panel, toggle on/off click element to inspect, toggle on/off highlight selected element, toggle on/off Update DOM when node is removed
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- etc. – Seriously, just compare the "Documents" panel (DOM + Style/Properties/Layout/Listeners/Search) of Opera Dragonfly side-by-side with the Chrome DevTools's Element Inspector (used by Vivaldi).
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I realize changing this may be a lot of work, however.
- etc. – Seriously, just compare the "Documents" panel (DOM + Style/Properties/Layout/Listeners/Search) of Opera Dragonfly side-by-side with the Chrome DevTools's Element Inspector (used by Vivaldi).
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