What is stopping you from using V all the time?

LonM

@yellowfour I think the engine itself is not an issue. Having to maintain that is part of what sent the original opera down the tubes. As for the extra processes, I like it as it offers some extra layers of protection in terms of stability and security. But you're right about the lack of features and customisation.

iAN CooG

@yellowfour said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

What is stopping me from using V all the time?

It's not Presto.

no, really? Good luck with browsing internet in 2017 and next years win O12, I switched to Vivaldi because in O12 almost nothing worked anymore.

Nowhere close to customization as Opera 12. Ultimately productivity and efficiency.

Opera took a decade to reach version 12, and for me only from Opera 6 it just started barely to be ok. Give it some time.

Pollutes my task manager with endless processes.

One process per tab and one per extension. Welcome to progress, we have multicore processors and they are finally used as they should.

Can't "find in page" in address bar.

It works for me, f8 to focus address bar, ctrl-f opens find in page and it finds what I type. Explain better what's your issue.

sleez

Hi everybody,

First of all, I really love the feeling Vivaldi brings in usage. Quite fast, fast enough for me that is. And the tab-stacking works fine also, maybe some features to be finetuned but overall Vivaldi works really fine for me.
But there are still some things that bother me, every update I hope they are fixed but still it isn't built, fixed or adressed yet. My biggest obstacles are..:

Using the thumb buttons on my mouse don't work in Speeddial when I'm in a folder with bookmarks. Have to click the 'back' button what's taking me a lot of time. It never worked that way in Vivaldi and even with several different mouses tested on several different systems. Only tested myself on Windows btw, 8, 8.1 and 10. Maybe I'm overlooking something but I didn't find a setting that handles it.
When selecting some text and right-click for the context menu the option appears 'Search for ..xxx...' ( where ...xxx... stands for the selected text, not for some adult stuff though ;P ) , then another tab opens with the search engine preferred but it didn't take the selected text so I have to copy-paste the text to search.
Search in adress bar and also in the search box with the settings for the preferred seach engine done rightly setted it only opens another tab with the search engine, the text has to enterred manually by copy-pasting.

With putting these 'obstacles' here I hope these issues are adressed somehow. Maybe I'll have to submit them in another way, I don't know because I'm not that much over here in this forum. But I still hope these thingies will be fixed in the (hopefully near) future.

Greetz,

Sleez.

burbuja

Vivaldi is now my default browser, I really love it , but what I really miss is a light-weigh chat-client as it has been there in the old good Opera

sleez

@gwen-dragon

Hi Gwen,

I've reported the bugs, the issues submitted one by one.
Thank you for your quick reply, I hope to have helped a bit..!

Greetz,
Sleez.

QuHno

@ian-coog said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

Opera took a decade to reach version 12, and for me only from Opera 6 it just started barely to be ok. Give it some time.

... about 2 decades to reach Version 12 - but it was fully customizable way before. Been there done that, one of my first "hacks" was a 3 pane view for M1.

XtremAlRaven

It's incredibly slow if you have a lot of tabs. It takes about an hour just to fire up the browser, I kid you not. I don't know what does it do: creating a thumbnail for each page, maybe? If so, can I turn this off? If not, what the hell?
Also, when there are a lot of tabs open then, for some reason, creating a new tab takes tons of time. Like, half a minute until the tab is usable, seriously. So I just keep another browser open and whenever I want to open a link in a new tab I'm more often just copy the link, switch to another browser and instantly open a new tab with a link there (also Chromium-based, has 370 tabs open right now – works instantly; what the hell?!)

npro

Those 3:

No native OS support
(I'm on Windows 7 and plan to stay at least until 2020 when support will be dropped)
White blinking tabs when accessing tabs previously loaded in the background (no, using dark themes is not the real solution)
No easy and fast way to create Speed Dial thumbnails with their logos and without ads on them.

QuHno

@xtremalraven said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

It's incredibly slow if you have a lot of tabs. It takes about an hour just to fire up the browser, I kid you not.

Lazy load restored tabs.

I have similar numbers of tabs in a startup session because I suffer with tabitis too and even with about 300 tabs it takes only about 5s to start. Yes, it is not instant - but definitely not "hours" and the devs are working on that right now.

XtremAlRaven

@quhno

@quhno said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

Lazy load restored tabs.

Already have this, of course. Doesn't help. Both Windows and MacOS.

andyraisbeck

@quhno I use Vivaldi all the time, except my dallying with the new restored Firefox 57.
It can be slow, but having just uninstalled Chrome which took 3 minutes not to find a page both Vivaldi & Firefox found in 3 seconds, the choice is clear

XtremAlRaven

@xtremalraven said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

@quhno

@quhno said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

Lazy load restored tabs.

Already have this, of course. Doesn't help. Both Windows and MacOS.

Also, doesn't explain why creating a new tab (or opening a link in a new tab) takes half a minute.

Ayespy

@xtremalraven But it doesn't. Not on my weakest, oldest, crappiest systems. Are you limited by hardware, or by some other software which interferes?

XtremAlRaven

@ayespy As I wrote, I have other Chromium-based browsers on my machine – and they work fine. So it's probably not proxy/antivirus (also same problem on MacOS and Windows, and I have different non-overlapping set of antivirus software on each system). It also correlates with the number of open tabs.
Now I'm curious. Maybe I can send my debug logs to someone to look into it? I was sure it's a known problem (Vivaldi getting exponentially slow when increasing the number of tabs open).

XtremAlRaven

@ayespy Here's a guy having the same problem: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/21229/i-like-vivaldi-but-i-m-having-major-problems-and-i-have-major-suggestions/13 - half an hour startup time for 600 tabs.

Ayespy

@xtremalraven This is an erroneous assumption. 3P security software does not recognize Vivaldi as Chromium or as other Chromium-based browsers. Some security software designates it "untrusted" because the authors of that software have not taught it that Vivaldi exists, and is safe.

Ayespy

@xtremalraven 600 tabs is not "a" new tab, or "a" new page. Once all tabs are open, no matter how many there are, it should not take a long time for a new tab or window to establish. Further, at no point did you mention a staggering number of tabs.

An_dz

@ayespy From the last time I've heard from the devs about this I was told there is a problem where the more tabs you have, slower the UI gets. And they don't need to be awake, they can all be hibernated and still slows down.

Still, here it gets a tiny slower when I get around 100 tabs, but nothing jarring, still much less than a second to open a tab, I believe 500 ms, which is enough for me to notice a small lag. And startup is less than 3 s. Even when I had 500 tabs it would still open tabs in less than a second and startup was not more than a minute for sure.

Also the team is working on optimisations and it's already much better than previous versions too.

I guess it would be good to start recording which anti-virus and which hardware those users have to find a common point.

XtremAlRaven

@ayespy said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

@xtremalraven 600 tabs is not "a" new tab, or "a" new page. Once all tabs are open, no matter how many there are, it should not take a long time for a new tab or window to establish.

Sorry, I didn't explain myself clearly. What I mean is there are two problems:

When there are a lot of tabs (hundreds) already open, opening each new tab may take a long time (up to half a minute).
If you restart a browser with a lot of tabs, it takes tens of minutes to start.

And I suspect they are somehow related.

Further, at no point did you mention a staggering number of tabs.

I did write "a lot". I also did mention "300 tabs". Which is not that staggering, actually. (I have more in Vivaldi.)

XtremAlRaven

@dleon said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

About many tabs.
Does any browsers actually manage to play well with hundred tabs.

@an_dz said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

which anti-virus and which hardware those users have to find a common point

Ok, I did a little experiment. Downloaded a clean Windows 10 virtual machine ( https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/virtual-machines , evaluation build). Loaded machine into VirtualBox.
Changed VM settings: memory – 4096, CPU cores – 6. (The rest – default.)
Upon loading Windows changed resolution to 1920x1440 (just for convenience).
Installed Vivaldi 1.12.
After first start: set Tabs on right (I like it this way; I hope it doesn't affect performance).
Settings -> disabled "Show Tab Thumbnails". Everything else – default.
Opened 3 browser windows, in each opened 100 different Wikipedia pages. (So, 300 distinct random Wikipedia pages – all IMAX-formatted movies till the beginning of 2017.)
Closed Vivaldi.
Launched Vivaldi again. Time from clicking on Vivaldi icon until browser usable: 20 minutes.

Moreover, if you try to open some link in a new tab (I encourage to try a "new background tab"), the whole interface and page navigation becomes unusable and/or sluggish for 10 seconds.

Sure, I do have a lot going on on the host as well (for example Vivaldi :)) ), but still, 20 minutes is a lot of time.

Ok, same setup, Yandex browser (version 17.9.1.768, based on Chromium 60.0.3112.113) (sure, Yandex can't do side tabs, but I hope it doesn't change much).
Time till restarted browser usable: 30 seconds. (It's 40 times faster.)
And new tabs are created instantly and don't freeze the UI. So it's not a Chromium problem or an antivirus problem. And probably not hardware, because it's a virtual machine.

If you don't want to click 300 times, here's Current Session file (put in %user_browser_dir%\User Data\Default) : https://yadi.sk/d/O3GMFMVz3NgCt6