Open letter to Jon concerning M3

saudiqbal

Hopefully the next build will have M3, its been a long time now.

Ayespy

@saudiqbal It will not be in the next build. How long "it's been" is irrelevant. How ready it is, is totally relevant. It's not ready.

pafflick

@Ayespy Still, those of us who are not involved in the Soprano project appreciate getting any information from a reliable source - despite the fact that it's pretty much the same, as usual...

Motionshot

It would be nice if Jon could share a screenshot with us. I know that the UI may not be finished yet, but just one screenshot of the current iteration would be a nice teaser and keeps us interested

Wolfgang

I need to move to a new pc. Any recommendations as to what Mail-Client to use for my 8 different accounts while waiting for M3?
On my current pc it is still good old opera, that I am using for my mails

Wolfgang

Ayespy

@Wolfgang When I have done the same thing, I have actually installed Opera12 or OperaMail.

Thunderbird will work, but I can't really get comfortable with its display, no matter how hard I try.

Folgore101

@Wolfgang Hi, but do you have to recover also emails from Opera or parts with 8 clean accounts?
If the intention is to switch to M3 in the future it would be very convenient to know what file will handle M3 and what it will import, things that we do not currently know, unless some good soul gives us directions.
However i would continue with Opera, as a second alternative staying on the free Thunderbird while paying The Bat!.

With The Bat! a few years ago you could also import all e-mails from Opera, i think you can still do.

kahukura

@Motionshot I would rather not see a teaser before the final appearance on stage. If we expect e.g. a certain layout then and it has to be changed for technical reasons before or whatever we might be disappointed.

Para-Noid

I agree with @kahukura I do not want to see any screenshots until final release. Okay, a snapshot to test.
I can wait for however long it takes. I want a release that's ready. Not one filled with bugs.

edit: Changed attribution to proper forum member.
Incorrect...@Motionshot
Correct...@kahukura

mib2berlin

Every software is filled with bugs, so release early, release often or you never get any relevant feedback.
You can see this last days with Vivaldi stable, major bugs slip through testing from developers and testing crew.
No offense, this happens all the time.

Cheers, mib

zhnujm

@mib2berlin said in Open letter to Jon concerning M3:

Every software is filled with bugs, so release early, release often or you never get any relevant feedback.
You can see this last days with Vivaldi stable, major bugs slip through testing from developers and testing crew.
No offense, this happens all the time.

Cheers, mib

M3 is obviously still in such a bad shape after all these years that a release for normal users wont be possible.
For example, it does not make sense to release something that keeps you 100% busy with bug reports just from beta testers.

Folgore101

@zhnujm Are you testing M3? Your statements don't seem to me to be very consistent with Jon's statements from a few weeks ago.

kahukura

@zhnujm Consider that M3 has to be changed all the time when the underlying Chromium code changes - which is fairly often. I would assume we get a very flexible mail client because of this. Although I have written earlier that it feels like Vaporware, I am confident we will see something that pleases most of our expectations and beyond. Finally it's our Browser after all and we have the chance to be an active part of it's development.

Good things take time to grow.

Para-Noid

Our speculation is just that...speculation.

jon

Like @Ayespy and others, I use M3 every day. For my use it works really well and has most of the features I need already. That being said, we are continuing to tweak code in ways I would prefer not to do on an a mailer a lot of people are using daily. I am not keen to run update scripts on your mail, so to speak, if it is possible to avoid that. There are also certain bugs and even features we need to resolve. So we continue to work on these things, but at the same time we improve other parts of the mailer.

I am sorry this is taking so long and I would really like to show this all to you right now, but wait just a little bit longer.

Cheers,
Jon.

kahukura

@jon said in Open letter to Jon concerning M3:

I am sorry this is taking so long and I would really like to show this all to you right now, but wait just a little bit longer.

You don't have to be sorry for giving us the best possible solution - WIR.

Dantesoft

That being said, we are continuing to tweak code in ways I would prefer not to do on a mailer a lot of people are using daily.

Thank you for future-proofing M3 ahead of its release.
I hope you’ll consider adding some of my nice-to-have features in the development pipeline, e.g. Autocrypt headers (private messaging), JMAP protocol (better notifications, efficient messaging), and my M2 bug reports (account switching, drill-down searching, and message threading).

kahukura

@Dantesoft Let them please release first before we make another gazillion suggestions for improvements.

Edit: It's not Us and them, it is just us.

jon

@Dantesoft The first release of M3 has a lot of features, but it will likely not have all the things everyone wants. That will need to come over time. Same as with the browser. We continue to add features and generally improve every part of the browser. Thus I expect M3 to be great for many, when released, while others will have to wait on their favorite features to be added.

Cheers,
Jon.

Motionshot

@jon said in Open letter to Jon concerning M3:

@Dantesoft The first release of M3 has a lot of features, but it will likely not have all the things everyone wants. That will need to come over time. Same as with the browser. We continue to add features and generally improve every part of the browser. Thus I expect M3 to be great for many, when released, while others will have to wait on their favorite features to be added.

Cheers,
Jon.

Thanks for the updates!

I know you're not keen about sharing exact release dates, which I totally understand, but could you maybe give us something rough, i.e. will we see M3 before the end of 2019, even if beta-only?