Bring back native window frame
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The main problems for me are the following:
[ul]- 1. It's rather difficult the change the size of the window, it's not easy to click and drag the border
- 2. When the window is maximized, I cannot drag it down. Eg, I have to click restore first. Normal windows can be dragged down from a maximized stated in Windows 7 (perhaps Vista also? Not sure) and above
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PS. Oh, and formatting in the forum doesn't work. I used the editor buttons to create an unordered list, the tags are there in the editor but not rendered here
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I can drag to un-maximise, although I know that doesn't help you.
But I do find the lack of edges disconcerting.
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I can drag to un-maximise, although I know that doesn't help you.
But I do find the lack of edges disconcerting.
Okay, my bad!
I can do it as well, if I click exactly on the top borderโฆ.
But because that border is so small, I couldn't get it to work before and thought it was not possible. I was clicking in the tabs-bar.So larger borders would still be nice
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Windows 7 Aero support would be nice, too.
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More like windows 8 or 10 support.
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One thing I've noticedโฆ on my netbook (XP) I get a fully-coloured menu and the page title when I de-select the Vivaldi button - but on Win7 machines, it's always a white menu and no page title!
I see two possibilities: it's a difference between XP and Win7, or it's because the netbook has been over-installed since TP1 and the Win7 installs I've used were clean-installed slightly later (when the 64-bit version came along). To be clear - I have used both 64 and 32 bit installs in Win7, so that's not the issue.
Edit: and I prefer the way it looks in XP, by the way...
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I remember removing titlebar was often asked feature on old Opera's forums. I used to support it, but I was like 15 at the time. Removing the titlebar (and the rest of the window border) or inventing a completely new one is obtrusive.
This is a chance to do something differently than other browsers. I really don't care that much about how the inside of the window looks (although customizability would be nice), but having no familiar frame results in immediate usability problem for me.
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Vivaldi's garish, aggressive, and thus distracting top section is one of the main things I don't like about it, so I too would like something a little more normal.
And I don't know about most browsers doing this as suggested above. Looking at Firefox, Chrome, and IE right now (Windows), they're models of restraint, looking "of" the operating system.
Vivaldi looks like something else. I don't really get the look. Even the font used in the top area looks wrong, like it's blurry or something.
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I turn off tab coloring and, thus, get nothing garish. On win 8.1, the interface actually looks pretty much at home (if a bit contrasty).
The one thing I could wish for is if there were a little better delineation of the tabs when they are set at side.
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Hi. We are working on skinning options, and also a slightly different look for when you disable Tab Colouring, to avoid the strong contrast you mention. Have a look at the attached image, which is an internal mockup and not finished โย this should give a better experience when disabling colors.
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Yes, that looks great, thanks. You can still tell which tab is active (which is of course important), but the high-contrast look is gone. So the sidebar, bookmark bar, and toolbar won't be very dark, drawing attention to themselves.
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Excellent contrast balance! I personally look forward to a time when the colors of that kind of presentation can be user-selected (bars or skin or theme or whatever), but you're headed in the right direction.
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Ahhhh. Much better.
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Looking forward to this option. I have 20+ tabs open right now and as Ayespy pointed out, it is hard to tell where each one starts and stops.
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Looks much better, just missing titlebar.
Looking at Firefox, Chrome, and IE right now (Windows), they're models of restraint, looking "of" the operating system.
Looks can be deceiving. Chrome only looks "of" the operating system if you use the latest Windows with all the eye candy turned on. When I as a power user turn off aero and eye candy silliness in Windows 7, I get the see the blue mess it is:
Same with Chropera. Firefox gains some usability with hacky extensions.
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I`m too vote for native window.
The popular now "flat" and other bootstrap design (try to be same with Windows8) are very ugly, difficult to every-day-using and needs to constantly moves mouse cursor hover-out the controls to understand where the boundary between them.
In enterprise application, we disable this flat interface (by the request of employees) and switch to ExtJS-like interface. Is he modern? Fow our mind YES, fow work is the best, not all are needed for tiles in mobile phone.
I propose to save and maintain the standard interface of Opera 12 as a separate theme for Vivaldi -
I propose to save and maintain the standard interface of Opera 12 as a separate theme for Vivaldi
AMEN
โฆ with support of 12's themes - that's my dream -
Not sure the nav buttons (and the rest of the address bar) can go there, because I think the mail panel, when open, will cover that entire area.
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First thing I notice, is that it's extremely difficult to grab the title bar and move the window โ apparently most browsers will let you grab any empty space on their tab bar and use that as a window move as well.. whereas in Vivaldi, you have to grab the 4 pixels or so that are between the tab bar and the window border. It's quite annoying. Same for the area that you have to be in to double-click to maximize/restore.
The space available is disturbingly small and difficult to hit. I imagine on a HighDPI display it would be nearly impossible.
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First thing I notice, is that it's extremely difficult to grab the title bar and move the window โ apparently most browsers will let you grab any empty space on their tab bar and use that as a window move as well.. whereas in Vivaldi, you have to grab the 4 pixels or so that are between the tab bar and the window border. It's quite annoying. Same for the area that you have to be in to double-click to maximize/restore.
The space available is disturbingly small and difficult to hit. I imagine on a HighDPI display it would be nearly impossible.
It's pretty easy to grab the space right under the window controls. At least that's something.