I just realized the browser has no borders... O_O

TianlanSha

I usually use my browser maximized so now that I made it windowed to resize it, because Vivaldi seems to always forget my custom window size and every so often defaults to my default resolution making windowed mode pointless and I have to reduce the size each time...

So this time I happened to have another application on the background and I noticed how the browser completely blends in like a chamaleon with the back application because it has no borders on the window to distinguish itself.

It's not big of an issue for me, but I find it very odd how it doesn't even have a 1px line in a different color at least.
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iAN CooG

Welcome to the new windows10 modern style. I'm not a fan myself of borderless windows but I'm keeping vivaldi always maximized so it doesn't make any difference for me. You can try setting "Use Native window" in Appereance, if you must.

TianlanSha

@iAN-CooG I had Windows 10 for a year before I started to hate its guts, last I remember it had at least 1px black border on 32(app..bit?..?!) windows.

AFAIK there will be full themes for Vivaldi in the future, like being able to make it look like IE, or Firefox or anyting, so my hope is there, but I still can't get over this fact.

Deranox

Most people want no borders as they serve no purpose and just make it uglier. You can resize with or without that 1px border.

Steffie

@Deranox said in I just realized the browser has no borders... :

Most people want no borders

Dunno about your data source behind that claim, but in any event, this little purple duck wants her borders [& has them].
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Steffie

@Steffie Or maybe instead you were making a Brexit remark?

TianlanSha

@Deranox I tend believe functionality and user-friendliness should come before "eye candy" .

mdnjou

There's this feature in Tab Display called Remove Tab Spacing in Maximized Windows, it's not related but it changes the browsers appearance depending on it being windowed or maximized. I have it enabled, because .. 6 pixels saved!

(plus it makes it easier to hit tabs blind, i mean, without looking, or half looking?)

Anwyay, it doesn't seem far fetched for a similar checkbox that enables a border in window mode.
Not that i miss it at all .. personally.

TianlanSha

@Sojiro84 Thanks, that's OK, I don't feel like making changes to the browser other than the ones officially included, not because I can't it's because I don't want to... it's hard to explain. It just feels good when it's officially included.

As long as I know that there will be full theme support in the future, i.e. making Vivaldi look like Internet Explorer 6, Firefox 2.0, Firefox 3.0, Chrome variations, Maxthon.. completely original themes (and probably some will have the border), I'm all good with it, in fact the wait will be worth it as in the end the satisfaction will be greater.

I just want some official statement of some sort on what was the reason behind this decision and are there plans for more customization (as in full themes, reenabling border via the UI rather than CSS).

mdnjou

@TianlanSha Ah, i see that you have Windows's fancy shadows disabled!

Shadows make edges easily distinguishable imho, even on same color backgrounds.

Look for "Adjust the appearance and performance of Windows" in Control Panel if you wanna enable it.
Or what is that you're using anyway, Windows Vista?

(probably just Windows 7, amazing how fast one forgets what doesn't need to be remembered)

TianlanSha

@mdnjou Thanks, but I've disabled shadows and other eye-candy because I find them distracting and not useful enough, if I have to enable an effect that I have previously disabled for the sake of a single application that fails to conform, I believe the problem is in that application alone, i.e. Vivaldi.

Thanks for the suggestion, but at this point I will deal with it as it is and hoping for improvements in the future.

@mdnjou said in I just realized the browser has no borders... :

There's this feature in Tab Display called Remove Tab Spacing in Maximized Windows, it's not related but it changes the browsers appearance depending on it being windowed or maximized. I have it enabled, because .. 6 pixels saved!

(plus it makes it easier to hit tabs blind, i mean, without looking, or half looking?)

Anwyay, it doesn't seem far fetched for a similar checkbox that enables a border in window mode.
Not that i miss it at all .. personally.

Yes, I use that too, because I can select tabs without looking directly, it was a feature from Old Opera, something about being able to drag the maximized window into a regular one or something.

mdnjou

One could argue that this proves it's not just eye candy, but functional. (because it is)

In fact I find that it's the opposite of distracting.

Tiamarth

I see this topic is still being discussed, and it looks like people are talking about workarounds, but @iAN-CooG already explained above that there is an option to enable window borders from Vivaldi's settings. For anyone who missed it:

Welcome to the new windows10 modern style. I'm not a fan myself of borderless windows but I'm keeping vivaldi always maximized so it doesn't make any difference for me. You can try setting "Use Native window" in Appereance, if you must.

Tiamarth

@Tiamarth Also, if for some reason, anyone would rather not use the native window option but still have a border around Vivaldi, they could use custom css such as

#browser {
    border-top: 0;
    border-right: 1.5px solid rgba(47,52,63,0);
    border-bottom: 1.5px solid rgba(47,52,63,0);
    border-left: 1.5px solid rgba(47,52,63,0);
}

Edit: for any future visitors to this thread who may want a feature like this to be included in Vivaldi by default, I put it in the feature request thread here: https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/136901

You can vote on it there.

TianlanSha

I had animations disabled and accidentally found out the animations on tabs were improved and while playing around to see them I once again had to see the UI that has neither borders nor gradient or anything.

I stacked 3 windows on top and they all look like a single horribly disfigured window.

I doubt anyone can argue that this looks nowhere near aesthetically pleasing, come on. There should be gradient and border options inside the theme creation settings. xD

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