The great tracker blocker conundrum
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I always had the same concerns of @Catweazle, @Jon.
I've been using Opera even before I had an internet connection at home, in the 90s, to open locally on my drive the JAVAdocs 32MB Java tutorials, because Opera was blazing fast in offline browsing and cached page rendering. And because I was eager to start connecting to the internet, I found a late evening part time job, where I could use Opera, online (literally there was no internet available, for me, at home). I always have being using you products, Jon, in any early stages they might have been and tried to let them know to people around me.
The point is not using free tools (otherwise we would just use Chrome, or Edge, without even trying firefox), but to try to mitigate the control from big companies, online (if ever it makes sense and is possible, today): I like the old feeling of better private, than free.
If Vivaldi "Unlike other browsers (has) no intention of tracking what you do in the browser", but at the same time provides its partners the means to do so, I wouldn't like using Vivaldi and I quote @Catweazle.
Apparently, @julien_picalausa can explain what happens technically, but it is not clear (to me, at least) if my privacy as a user is less protected, when I select the "Allow ads from our partners" option: Vivaldi is not tracking me, OK, but is it allowing others to do so?
It is hard to tell (for my english language understanding) if my privacy is reduced by the choice of allowing ads from Vivaldi partners.
I'll read carefully what Julien writes, hoping to undertand that.
Thank you for what you've been doing for so many... decades!
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@newscpq Then I guess you also remember how Opera had ads built-in to the browser UI. This was removed in 2005 - I've always assumed this was because Opera was able to make enough money by their mobile browser deals at the time.
http://web.archive.org/web/20051013082625/http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/850/
They also took outside investment from vulture capitalists, something Vivaldi is unwilling to do, and for very good reasons.
Vivaldi is a company, it has employees that need to have liveable salaries. It's not an open-source project driven by volunteers spending their free time making a fully featured web browser.
Even Firefox, an open-source project is not able to sustain itself with volunteer efforts and donations. It needs to pay people. Mozilla gets most of its money from Google because Google tries to avoid getting fined for being a monopoly.
It's difficult finding a working business model in a market where everyone expects everything to be free all the time. Donations and store sales are not reliable income streams.
The big companies can afford to have a "free" browser because they have the money to do so and the browser is part of their data-collection and tracking effort. Brave tries to push crypto BS on its users to make money. Poor Opera is taken over by a Chinese corporation with deep pockets.
I was hoping that Vivaldi would get a nice income from their in-car browser deals, but I'm not sure how much money if any will be coming from there.
I suspect Vivaldi still mostly lives from Jon's pockets and that's the sad truth about it. One day this will run dry and Vivaldi will have to find some way of sustaining itself so the employees can have food on the table and not go look for other jobs.
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Oh! Was hoping the tracker conundrum was the problem of it breaking JavaScript on so many sites. It's frustrating when a site doesn't work and you eventually realise it's the tracker blocking. Any plans to fix that? Even if you just add a button somewhere to unblock a site, like Brave does, instead of having to go into settings.
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@chrishowardau You can already do that by clicking on the Shield icon in the address bar.
And the reason JS can break is that the site is loading external JS files that are trackers.
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@yngve Thanks! Totally missed that!!
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@greybeard said in The great tracker blocker conundrum:
@disu1950 said in The great tracker blocker conundrum:
-who r ur partners?
good for Vivaldi but not for his users.. oOThat is a big issue here in Canada as at least two of the partner advertisers are under investigation by our government’s Competition Bureau for various reasons, applicable probably only to Canada, but it causes some concern for users.
This is especially true trying to promote Vivaldi here.sry for hearing that... why Canada so strict abou that... nothing wrong in that...
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@disu1950 said in The great tracker blocker conundrum:
sry for hearing that... why Canada so strict abou that... nothing wrong in that...
All I know is that investigations are ongoing...
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Ur not very good at it lol
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Sure I want to support you and will use "Allowed List", but thank you for the rest adblocking experience! + I will donate regularly, instead of watching ads.
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@Pathduck said in The great tracker blocker conundrum:
@newscpq Then I guess you also remember how Opera had ads built-in to the browser UI. This was removed in 2005 - I've always assumed this was because Opera was able to make enough money by their mobile browser deals at the time.
http://web.archive.org/web/20051013082625/http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/850/
They also took outside investment from vulture capitalists, something Vivaldi is unwilling to do, and for very good reasons.
Vivaldi is a company, it has employees that need to have liveable salaries. It's not an open-source project driven by volunteers spending their free time making a fully featured web browser.
Even Firefox, an open-source project is not able to sustain itself with volunteer efforts and donations. It needs to pay people. Mozilla gets most of its money from Google because Google tries to avoid getting fined for being a monopoly.
It's difficult finding a working business model in a market where everyone expects everything to be free all the time. Donations and store sales are not reliable income streams.
The big companies can afford to have a "free" browser because they have the money to do so and the browser is part of their data-collection and tracking effort. Brave tries to push crypto BS on its users to make money. Poor Opera is taken over by a Chinese corporation with deep pockets.
I was hoping that Vivaldi would get a nice income from their in-car browser deals, but I'm not sure how much money if any will be coming from there.
I suspect Vivaldi still mostly lives from Jon's pockets and that's the sad truth about it. One day this will run dry and Vivaldi will have to find some way of sustaining itself so the employees can have food on the table and not go look for other jobs.
no amigo Vivaldi wont dry run cuz its better than most browsers... yes Opera i used first but when chineze take over mr.Zhou Yahui i switch... firefox keeps solid and gived thunderbird and k-9mail apps for free... thats huge.. and they dont leak... Brave just a better copy chrome but they looks like make stuff all Brave.. brave search, brave browser, nothin special just better chronicums...
Samsung Browser oh man NEVER ... i got galaxy a53 5g what this scumsung do its just shameless...
most of all Vivaldi come with email add cloud service and vivaldi goes beyond all...
**FOSS NEVER DRY **
