Is Cookie Autodelete dead?

[ImaginaryFreedom]

@Hadden89 said in Is Cookie Autodelete dead?:

@ImaginaryFreedom the cookie page in vivaldi settings.
The one from chromium doesn't work anymore in vivaldi (only per site).

My bad: all I saw was the "delete all" there.

I did not see the tiny "x" on the right margin when hovering over a single entry, wasn't an obvious UI feature.

Anyway, nothing catastrophic lost, I recreated most of the ones I was saving that were important.

[Hadden89]

@ImaginaryFreedom Ouch. Well, could be a good thing in the bad. Now that you only have "good cookies" is easier to track if the "bad cookies" cleaned from CAD are reflected in cookies section too

[Pathduck]

One important thing to note now that we're over to Chromium 124 base: Partitioned Cookies, aka "Cookies Having Independent Partitioned State" (CHIPS). One of the many experiments related to Google's "phasing out" of third-party cookies and part of the Privacy Sandbox:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Privacy/Privacy_sandbox/Partitioned_cookies

Mozilla is Positive but it's not implemented in Firefox.
https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#chips

I use Cookie Autodelete, and it looks like CAD is unable to delete cookies with the partitioned state. Not surprising since this is pretty new and CAD has not been updated for a long time. Have not tested with Site Bleacher but I assume the same is the case there.

So for those of you like me who block 3pc and notice strange domains showing up your cookies list, that you have not whitelisted - this is probably the cause.

The Partition Key indicates the cookie from creativecdn.com is only allowed to be used when visiting allmusic.com.

No big reason to panic, just want to make sure people know about this before they throw a fit about Vivaldi saving cookies from domains even if you have 3pc blocked.

[Hadden89]

@Pathduck yeah that explains why a lot of things are not cleaned up. I heavily suspect no extension can handle these kind of new garbage data, also given the experimental status.

[Catweazle]

@Hadden89, at least none from the Chrome Store, there will only be decaffeinated versions there, as also happens on Google Play on Android. I think that sooner or later there will be no other way for Vivaldi to have its own store, even if it is only for the most essential extensions for privacy and security.
Meanwhile I'll loo in Greasyfork and OpenuserJS, if there is something usable.

In OpenuserJS, I found an script from a Vivaldi user, not related to this thread, but a interesting script

[Hadden89]

@Pathduck Yep. Partitioned cookies can be only removed but not handled.
Oh, and it seems that chrome://settings/content/all is working again:

[Pathduck]

@Hadden89 Looks like FF was actually the first with their First Party Isolation feature, which is basically the same thing as CHIPS, and causing problems in CAD:
https://github.com/Cookie-AutoDelete/Cookie-AutoDelete/issues/807#issuecomment-974766508

Oh, and it seems that chrome://settings/content/all is working again:

Yeah, well I never saw what need people have for that page. What do they do, go into there regularly and clear out stuff? Seems like a compete chore. I prefer to set things to auto-clean and just forget about things.

The very few partitioned cookies I have currently is no big deal, hopefully CAD or SiteBleacher (or similar) can implement cleaning of these as well.

[Hadden89]

@Pathduck
yeah, probably is mostly confusing from a visual point of view. My partitioned cookies are just for sites which both are whitelisted for first and third party (for convenience) in most cases. We'll see.. is still experimental but already seems quite be used.

@Pathduck said in Is Cookie Autodelete dead?:

What do they do, go into there regularly and clear out stuff? Seems like a compete chore.

I fear someone do that. For me is totally a nightmare and I wouldn't even think to do this in such way.

[Pathduck]

@Hadden89 said in Is Cookie Autodelete dead?:

We'll see.. is still experimental but already seems quite be used.

Of course Google being masters of Chromium they just forced it out bypassing any sort of standard track or approval by the W3C etc... And now all Chromium browsers support it and sites start using it. Ooof

You can query what partitioned cookies are stored using Sqlite:
sqlite3 Cookies -markdown "select host_key, top_frame_site_key, name from cookies where top_frame_site_key is not '';"

host_key	top_frame_site_key	name
.3lift.com	https://last.fm	tluidp
.adnxs.com	https://allmusic.com	XANDR_PANID
.adnxs.com	https://allmusic.com	receive-cookie-deprecation
.adnxs.com	https://last.fm	XANDR_PANID
.adnxs.com	https://last.fm	receive-cookie-deprecation
.bing.com	https://bing.com	MSPTC

The receive-cookie-deprecation cookies is a special case:
https://developers.google.com/privacy-sandbox/relevance/setup/web/chrome-facilitated-testing#access_the_sec-cookie-deprecation_http_header

[ImaginaryFreedom]

So does anyone have a solution to this partitioned cookie thing?

Something that replicates what CAD had been doing before?

Site Bleacher has not been updated in 5 years now.

Because as many of you probably know, Google backtracked on the "deprecation" of 3rd party cookies again.

Maybe it was all just a ploy to leave us all with broken cookie management extensions...

[Hadden89]

@ImaginaryFreedom I don't think extensions can handle partitioned cookies , and with deprecation of mv2 too I'm not sure CAD or Site Bleach will survive at all ...

[pjol]

It seems CAD is looking into MV3 compability